Thread: Firearms Registry Consultation Open

Originally Posted by outlander

I find myself pondering more often lately, as to how many of us will merely get rid of our guns. With the onset of age and more limitations imposed on shooters, will the powers that be, accomplish their disarming tactics and or what the percentage of it will be. There are some of us who are approaching the daunting renewal process. Perhaps, as is in my case, my firearms are not monetary worth much and will voluntarily be 'handed in'. Anyone had similar thoughts..?

Nope.
Fight it all I reckon, make ‘them’ think it’s a bad idea.

Originally Posted by Cigar

I'm wondering why they want the magazine capacity of any fixed mag firearms in the registry.

Exactly my feelings too @Cigar. If for example I give details on a Swedish Husqvarna m38B, then anyone in authority should know they are 6.5x55 cal with a blind 5 shot mag. Without going back through my submission, I recall the proposal requiring carving or other dings on woodwork ffs. Utter b.s.

Unfortunately you now need a dealers license to lend a fire arm out. its on the police web site and I was also told that by our Hawkesbay arms officer.

Originally Posted by Scott Cowan

Unfortunately you now need a dealers license to lend a fire arm out. its on the police web site and I was also told that by our Hawkesbay arms officer.

Thanks for adding that, I had no idea

Originally Posted by outlander

voluntarily be 'handed in'. Anyone had similar thoughts..?

Absolutely NOT.
Handed in. To what purpose. So that po po can trash them? Or maybe to add to their own collection/s?
If your thought really is to "hand them in", I'd gratefully take them from you.

Originally Posted by GDMP

Recording ammo sales seems like an idea imported from overseas.....there was a time many years ago when,under federal law, all ammo sales at dealers in the US had to be recorded,but it was eventually dropped as it was a useless requirement and served no real purpose.It will be the same here no doubt,just give it time.

Purchasing ammunition is a trigger for you having to enter your firearms into the registry as it stands, otherwise you could drag it out till August 2028.
At the ruahine auction there have been large boxes of "significant firearms parts" sold, bolts receivers floorplates etc. These according to the proposal would also need to be recorded in the registry.
If it does come to pass that this is what's mandated I expect a lot of "glory boxes" will either go grey or if registered will be done using written records (as allowed in the proposals) that the police have to enter themselves, decipher poor handwriting and take ownership of transcription errors.
Compliance and civil disobedience in one action.

Originally Posted by no1_49er

Absolutely NOT.
Handed in. To what purpose. So that po po can trash them? Or maybe to add to their own collection/s?
If your thought really is to "hand them in", I'd gratefully take them from you.

What on earth would you ever do with a 25-303..!?

Originally Posted by Scott Cowan

Unfortunately you now need a dealers license to lend a fire arm out. its on the police web site and I was also told that by our Hawkesbay arms officer.

Where on the police website?
There is nothing in the laws about this, and something being on the police website doesn't make it law.

Originally Posted by outlander

I find myself pondering more often lately, as to how many of us will merely get rid of our guns. With the onset of age and more limitations imposed on shooters, will the powers that be, accomplish their disarming tactics and or what the percentage of it will be. There are some of us who are approaching the daunting renewal process. Perhaps, as is in my case, my firearms are not monetary worth much and will voluntarily be 'handed in'. Anyone had similar thoughts..?

That's the desired outcome from police

Originally Posted by Scott Cowan

Unfortunately you now need a dealers license to lend a fire arm out. its on the police web site and I was also told that by our Hawkesbay arms officer.

I found the bit on the police website - it only applies to those in the business of hiring, lending or otherwise supplying arms items.

From the Police Consultation document

4.2 Information on transactions and events that must be recorded in the registry
Proposals for new regulations under the Arms Act 1983 31 August 2022
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From 24 June 2023, section 95 of the Act provides that details of the following events in relation to
any firearm or other item regulated by or under the Act must be provided to Police by every holder
of a firearms licence or a dealer’s licence for inclusion in the registry:
a. any sale or supply, excluding a temporary transfer
b. any purchase or receipt, excluding a temporary transfer
c. any importation
d. any exportation
e. any manufacture
f. any theft, loss or destruction.
A temporary transfer is a transfer of possession of a firearm (not being a pistol, restricted weapon,
prohibited magazine or prohibited firearm) of less than 30 day

Does this clarify the confusion around lending a rifle?

I've recently lent a rifle to another shooter for his grandchildren to use.
To comply with the temporary transfer rules I will have to see him every 28 days, receive the rifle back and lend it to him again.

Originally Posted by Cyclops

From the Police Consultation document

4.2 Information on transactions and events that must be recorded in the registry
Proposals for new regulations under the Arms Act 1983 31 August 2022
22
From 24 June 2023, section 95 of the Act provides that details of the following events in relation to
any firearm or other item regulated by or under the Act must be provided to Police by every holder
of a firearms licence or a dealer’s licence for inclusion in the registry:
a. any sale or supply, excluding a temporary transfer
b. any purchase or receipt, excluding a temporary transfer
c. any importation
d. any exportation
e. any manufacture
f. any theft, loss or destruction.
A temporary transfer is a transfer of possession of a firearm (not being a pistol, restricted weapon,
prohibited magazine or prohibited firearm) of less than 30 day

Does this clarify the confusion around lending a rifle?

I've recently lent a rifle to another shooter for his grandchildren to use.
To comply with the temporary transfer rules I will have to see him every 28 days, receive the rifle back and lend it to him again.

Personally I would complete any paper official transfer forms every 28 days and have the lendee do the same just to play them at their game.

Originally Posted by outlander

What on earth would you ever do with a 25-303..!?

Just as I would do with a 25-06. Reload the bugger AND USE IT.

Originally Posted by Cigar

Dumb idea that you if you buy ammunition you have to enter the info on all your firearms in the registry - it will result in an early flood of info and crash the whole system.

I said something similar in my submission. I also objected to having to notify when my GP changed. When the GP leaves? What if I'm not told and don't need the Dr?When i find out they left? Same objection. What if they leave and there are no GPs left in the area? Do i nominally change to one 100kms away who i never see? Will failure to do the box-tick mean i fail a good character test when i renew or get an infringement?
Similar issues with the vague 'contact details' which are separate from address. Does it mean if i change my email or mobile number or drop my landline that i have to update?

What about having to specify the capacity of your safe? Who decides what that is? The manufacturer? Will i then have to buy a new safe if I have 6 guns but a 5 gun safe, even if i can cram in 6? Me? Who checks that i didn't say "10" when i only have a 5 gun safe?

So much detail that doesn't serve a practical purpose or is vaguely defined.

Guys, the register (registry?) will go ahead. We may not be happy with it, but it is what it is. BUT we need to express our concerns (see Rushy's comments) about security issues to Police as we participate in the "consultation" process, and also individually make a submission to Nicole McKee. Remember, you have until 12
October to respond. A good turnout of responses is essential, to show our concern and cement our credibility.

A couple of points: McIllwraith mentions the register will contain "ALL legally held firearms in NZ".....he's dreamin'! A register will have no relevance or value to Police unless:

1. EVERY firearm in NZ is registered.
2. EVERY transaction is recorded promptly.
3. EVERY transaction is recorded fully and accurately.

The chances of 1. 2. and 3. occurring are....? When Police realise this, and that may take 10 years, I suspect the register will go the way of the dodo.

I had a dream last night...I dreamed (God forbid this should happen!!) that every LFO submitted their firearms details (online or in hard copy) in the same week, then a lot of them submitted alterations or changes to the information a few weeks later, then a few weeks after that....I woke up in a cold sweat! Thank goodness that would never happen!!