Firearms Registry Consultation Open

Printable View

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page

13-09-2022, 08:40 PM
RUMPY

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woody

Did you notice that every time you buy or dispose of a firearm you have to relist again all those you have previously listed?
Nearly all of it seems incongruous and repetative. Very onerous for clubs too. I've completed the 40 pages and two hours on I felt disbelief that this extent of attempted change could occur in NZ. It's improperly seeking a lot more than just a register IMO.

I completed it yesterday and feel the same and made a point as often as possible in the comments about how over the top the detail they are asking for.
13-09-2022, 08:45 PM
RUMPY

Quote:

Originally Posted by gonetropo

one word to describe it all FUSTERCLUCK

they couldnt even get b or c right in rego, how do they expect this to work?

one word to describe how this will work out: Canada !

Hahaha, that was my closing statement.

"Have a look at how it went for Canada "

Even included a link about the massive cost overrun and inaccuracy of it all.

Told them to spend their time and money on dealing with criminals.
14-09-2022, 04:29 AM
Ranger 888

Guys, the overriding theme here seems to be we are in agreement the register will end up as a clusterfuck, because it will contain far too much irrelevant detail, will be prone to data entry errors, will be obscenely expensive to establish and maintain, will be a HUGE administrative burden on police and will not actually solve a crime (the last 2 points were the very reasons the last register was dropped in 1983.
15-09-2022, 11:57 AM
Three O'Three

A quick history search shows why registry isn't a good idea
15-09-2022, 07:12 PM
No.3

Quote:

Originally Posted by GDMP

Its happening because those that think there are votes in appearing to be tough on firearms issues but have no idea what they are tampering with have been given a free hand,and there is next to no opposition from the several hundred thousand shooters out there.

Fixed it for you...
15-09-2022, 07:14 PM
No.3

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woody

Another issue I commented on was joint ownership. Just as in law, my wife jointly owns our house car boat lawnmower etc. We are both LFO's and FAL holders as is our daughter. We use whatever suits at the time. Now what?
Also, if I modify or build a new stock or change a scope mount or recoil pad they propose all sorts of applications and change of description etc for their register! Gee, I do this stuff almost weekly!

Good points... Can multiple people have a firearm on their ticket to save on transfer BS?
15-09-2022, 07:22 PM
Rushy

Quote:

Originally Posted by No.3

Good points... Can multiple people have a firearm on their ticket to save on transfer BS?

People jointly owning a firearm is a reality. My youngest daughter and I have several B category firearms jointly owned on our endorsements.
15-09-2022, 07:42 PM
Danger Mouse

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rushy

People jointly owning a firearm is a reality. My youngest daughter and I have several B category firearms jointly owned on our endorsements.

This is gonna be great. Im going to eat a lot of popcorn watching police fuck this up.
15-09-2022, 08:06 PM
gonetropo

its a fuck up before its even started.
they couldnt register b c or e correctly let alone every single firearm from now on in. hell a mate is still waiting for a license for 18 months and all he want to do is get a 10/22 for a vineyard in otago
16-09-2022, 01:16 AM
rambo-6mmrem

I have no issues with the Registry in its self
It’s no Different than Rego on a car you buy a new car you put it in your name….
It also means you have a record of your firearms incase of theft

Things I am worried about are what if the Registry is hacked or leaked
It could be used as a shopping list for the criminals

Is there any catches ie are they going to start asking you to justify everything you own etc etc

The registry it’s self is probably a good thing imo….. as long as the access to the information isn’t abused by the powers that be
16-09-2022, 10:28 AM
imaca

Quote:

Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem

I have no issues with the Registry in its self
It’s no Different than Rego on a car you buy a new car you put it in your name….
It also means you have a record of your firearms incase of theft

Things I am worried about are what if the Registry is hacked or leaked
It could be used as a shopping list for the criminals

Is there any catches ie are they going to start asking you to justify everything you own etc etc

The registry it’s self is probably a good thing imo….. as long as the access to the information isn’t abused by the powers that be

Of course there are catches and of course they will start to ask for justification for everything that you own
And of course the registry will be abused by the powers that be, why would you think otherwise?

It's not a shopping list for crims and I wish people would stop using this as an argument against the register. If crims knew you had a FAL they would just figure out what they want to steal once they get there, there is no selectivity to it.

It is however a CONFISCATION list for the police/government.
They'll start with some unusual and low volume firearms because "it only impacts a small number of people"
Then some more
Then some more
And so on

The police continue to argue that it will stop the "flow'" of firearms from licensed owners to unlicensed but again, that is only after the fact and I'd warrant you could go a long time between audits and have purchased a lot of firearms in the meantime. That's your gang initiation passed, a spell inside, a patch and a meth dealership awaits you once you are out.
Or of course, just add a couple of crates of guns to your drug importation order.

A clusterfuck it will be
16-09-2022, 10:39 AM
Woody

I suspect that if they go the way of their proposals it will pretty soon result in an increased ack market and counter productive to a basic register.
16-09-2022, 02:13 PM
rambo-6mmrem

Quote:

Originally Posted by imaca

Of course there are catches and of course they will start to ask for justification for everything that you own
And of course the registry will be abused by the powers that be, why would you think otherwise?

It's not a shopping list for crims and I wish people would stop using this as an argument against the register. If crims knew you had a FAL they would just figure out what they want to steal once they get there, there is no selectivity to it.

It is however a CONFISCATION list for the police/government.
They'll start with some unusual and low volume firearms because "it only impacts a small number of people"
Then some more
Then some more
And so on

The police continue to argue that it will stop the "flow'" of firearms from licensed owners to unlicensed but again, that is only after the fact and I'd warrant you could go a long time between audits and have purchased a lot of firearms in the meantime. That's your gang initiation passed, a spell inside, a patch and a meth dealership awaits you once you are out.
Or of course, just add a couple of crates of guns to your drug importation order.

A clusterfuck it will be

I don’t think otherwise that’s why I said what I said
I don’t mind the idea of the Registry
If it was used as such

But I know it will be abused if they decide to ban more guns which they probably will and sadly I don’t think there’s much we can do about it you can bitch moan and protest all you want but they don’t give two fucks about what we think… so yes they will know exactly who’s got what
But what is the other option keep the gun Illegally and risk your license
Maybe just me but no firearm no matter how cool or nice is worth loosing your license over
16-09-2022, 02:58 PM
imaca

Quote:

Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem

I don’t think otherwise that’s why I said what I said
I don’t mind the idea of the Registry
If it was used as such

But I know it will be abused if they decide to ban more guns which they probably will and sadly I don’t think there’s much we can do about it you can bitch moan and protest all you want but they don’t give two fucks about what we think… so yes they will know exactly who’s got what
But what is the other option keep the gun Illegally and risk your license
Maybe just me but no firearm no matter how cool or nice is worth loosing your license over

@rambo-6mmrem I think we are in vigorous agreement!
16-09-2022, 03:26 PM
Cigar

Quote:

Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem

Maybe just me but no firearm no matter how cool or nice is worth loosing your license over

What if they want to take all of them? Then your licence is worth nothing anyway.
16-09-2022, 03:29 PM
Woody

The criminally inclined won 't give a damm.
16-09-2022, 04:50 PM
Cyclops

Quote:

Originally Posted by rambo-6mmrem

I have no issues with the Registry in its self
It’s no Different than Rego on a car you buy a new car you put it in your name….
It also means you have a record of your firearms incase of theft

Things I am worried about are what if the Registry is hacked or leaked
It could be used as a shopping list for the criminals

Is there any catches ie are they going to start asking you to justify everything you own etc etc

The registry it’s self is probably a good thing imo….. as long as the access to the information isn’t abused by the powers that be

It isn't if the Registry is hacked or leaked - it is when it is leaked or stolen.
When the criminals get their copy of the registry - and they will - it becomes their shopping list with the what where and how details.

Whatever security you have is meaningless when several large criminals threaten to beat the proverbial out of you our your family if you open your safe(s) for them. Registry might help to subsequently recover or identify your stolen firearms. It won't protect you.
16-09-2022, 04:53 PM
Cyclops

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyclops

It isn't if the Registry is hacked or leaked - it is when it is leaked or stolen.
When the criminals get their copy of the registry - and they will - it becomes their shopping list with the what where and how details.

Whatever security you have is meaningless when several large criminals threaten to beat the proverbial out of you our your family if you open your safe(s) for them. Registry might help to subsequently recover or identify your stolen firearms. It won't protect you.

That should read if you don't open your safe(s)
16-09-2022, 05:33 PM
gonetropo

end of the day if some scumbag has a gun pointed at you or knife at your kids throat etc the safe will get opened. and registration will only add to the extra risk of this happening. only takes one person who has the ability to see the info and who needs the cash or drugs they need to leak the info or some bright bugger who can hack their way into the database and the risk of being held hostage to release our firearms will increase
16-09-2022, 06:46 PM
csmiffy

I had a thought that in the old days of the paper registry any sort of sharing through illegal or criminal activity, would be minimised by being more localised but that obviously went to poose recently from sensitive document being left in that abandoned cop shop.
Once online it will be widespread with no doubt.
The biggest reason other than cost that it will fail.
The side notes of almost guaranteed major inaccuracy and just outright lack of ability to actually manage it in a timely manner also does it no favours.
Actually the last point is probably the biggest thing.
They have been struggling to manage licenses.
What's the bet they wont be able to keep up with it from the start to make it work even on that level
16-09-2022, 07:14 PM
Danger Mouse

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woody

The criminally inclined won 't give a damm.

And that's what this idiocy always comes down to
17-09-2022, 11:31 AM
BSA

Quote:

Originally Posted by GDMP

As endorsement holders already know,the current register of restricted items has not been particularly accurate over the years.......can't see why the much larger one will be any different.And this time the problems will affect all license holders not just the relative handful with endorsements.

Especially as we all do it in hard copy rather than on-line, and remember we have until 2028. Why on earth should we make it easier for them when they are going far and away out of their way to make it as difficult as it can be for us.
17-09-2022, 09:14 PM
Eat Meater

Put all this stuff in your submissions folks. The more holes you can pick in it the better.
Be as specific as you can and provide ideas on how to get it to work better.

Then if they don't listen at least you tried, and if they don't then you have a right to complain because you submitted.

Always identify your target beyond all doubt because you never miss and I will be missed
28-09-2022, 09:53 AM
Marty Henry

COLFO had said they would have a summary up sometime this week. I will be keen to see this and see if there's anything I overlooked. Submissions close 14 October so still time to add another to the heap that will be ignored.
03-10-2022, 05:01 PM
NZShoota

Link to thread by Percy Jones with COLFO's response

https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co....egistry-87361/
04-10-2022, 12:37 PM
vulcannz

Wonder if Pinnacle Health stored LFO info?
04-10-2022, 06:12 PM
TeRei

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cigar

Dumb idea that you if you buy ammunition you have to enter the info on all your firearms in the registry - it will result in an early flood of info and crash the whole system.

Wrong. It is part of a scheme to know every bit about how many guns you have and how much ammunition. Inexorably ... you do not need that amount of ammunition and seek for it to be reduced or forfeited. Mark my words.
05-10-2022, 09:31 AM
no1_49er

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marty Henry

COLFO had said they would have a summary up sometime this week. I will be keen to see this and see if there's anything I overlooked. Submissions close 14 October so still time to add another to the heap that will be ignored.

Go here https://www.facebook.com/colfonz/ for their response.
06-10-2022, 06:59 PM
Woody

Just seen this from the meeting.
Regulations discussed, to date only 180 submissions received and given the low response to date there will be no modification of the proposed regulations. PLEASE MAKE YOUR SUBMISSION SO WE MAY HAVE A CHANCE TO INFLUENCE THIS.
--- So; as it stands; they are intending IGNORE submissions made so far on the excuse of not enough! Cripes! Did I waste my time?
12-10-2022, 01:47 PM
Cyclops

Got my submission done.
2.5 hours.
Do it.

Show 40 post(s) from this thread on one page