Thread: Firearms security

Just wondering what kinds of type of storage you guys have? as I am going for licence soon

For my A I have an old Roll front cabinet that locks at the bottom, hah it is ex the IRD! Great access

I have both a storage rack and safe set up. depending upon how many rifles you intend to have, a rack is a good and relatively inexpensive way to start out.

safe(s) - the REAL kind, rather be safe than sorry

i'd go for the best security you can get :
1) for my family's sake
2) for peace of mind
3) to avoid the crap that goes with stolen firearms

Yip I got a 5 gun safe for 280 delivered. Tried the modified cupboard and the AO laughed at me and told me to sort it.
Funny thing was the same AO approved my mates old pantry with a shit arse lock on it maybe rural is not as strict (hardly f*&king think so)
We recently demo'ed my mates house and i gave his old pantry door a sneaky punch and was straight in within 1 minute.......

moral: spend some time or money preferrably both on something SAFE.

Originally Posted by Gibo

Yip I got a 5 gun safe for 280 delivered. Tried the modified cupboard and the AO laughed at me and told me to sort it.
Funny thing was the same AO approved my mates old pantry with a shit arse lock on it maybe rural is not as strict (hardly f*&king think so)
We recently demo'ed my mates house and i gave his old pantry door a sneaky punch and was straight in within 1 minute.......

moral: spend some time or money preferrably both on something SAFE.

Maybe the AO was smok'n a different kind 'O' Weed by the time he got to you?

5 Gun Safe, Already getting the feeling i will need a second/ bigger safe......

Originally Posted by Kapitishooter

Just wondering what kinds of type of storage you guys have? as I am going for licence soon

As patronising as this may sound, get a big safe and bolt the mf to something solid, and get good security systems in place, because you don't want wankers to gain easy access to it. Because if they do, unless you're taking serious reasonable steps, it'll be your fault.

If you're thinking about storing your guns with the bolts still inside, don't bother locking the safe.

Originally Posted by Kscott

If you're thinking about storing your guns with the bolts still inside, don't bother locking the safe.

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Originally Posted by Kscott

As patronising as this may sound, get a big safe and bolt the mf to something solid, and get good security systems in place, because you don't want wankers to gain easy access to it. Because if they do, unless you're taking serious reasonable steps, it'll be your fault.
If you're thinking about storing your guns with the bolts still inside, don't bother locking the safe.

I agree with KScott - don't skimp on safety and security ... if you are young fella then I can understand starting with a cheap rack to get you going but please don't think that is safe and secure - its just legal that's all. I have a 10 gun which is bolted to everything I could find and one of those hotel type safes with all the bolts and I use a steel filing cabinet to store all my ammo in. I'm safe, the kids are safe, visitors are safe, everything is alarmed and a smelly old Rottweiler in the yard.

The best thing about a full gun safe is the Mrs can't see what's inside them. Mine is now overflowing and she has no idea.

Originally Posted by Kscott

If you're thinking about storing your guns with the bolts still inside, don't bother locking the safe.

So do you offer a service for pump and lever gun owners where it's damn near impossible to pull the bolt without reducing the rifle to a pile of parts?

Originally Posted by Monsterbishi

So do you offer a service for pump and lever gun owners where it's damn near impossible to pull the bolt without reducing the rifle to a pile of parts?

Thanks for missing the point. If you CAN do it, you SHOULD do it.

If you CAN take the bolt out and store it securely somewhere else you SHOULD, because if a thief does break in, hopefully all you're handing them is a big stick. Unless it's a burglar who has spent more time scoping out your place than the GSCB has - after all, doesn't the security discussed here relate to an opportunistic burglar ? Rifles though storing the magazines securely elsewhere - ever tried to fire a semi rifle with no mag ? Shotguns are clearly a different matter unless you leave in a trigger lock or mag lock, but the point is if you want to hand over to a burglar a full, complete firearm that they just pick up and use then go for it - I don't, because I think it's a stupid option.

Originally Posted by Kscott

Thanks for missing the point. If you CAN do it, you SHOULD do it.

If you CAN take the bolt out and store it securely somewhere else you SHOULD, because if a thief does break in, hopefully all you're handing them is a big stick. Unless it's a burglar who has spent more time scoping out your place than the GSCB has - after all, doesn't the security discussed here relate to an opportunistic burglar ? Rifles though storing the magazines securely elsewhere - ever tried to fire a semi rifle with no mag ? Shotguns are clearly a different matter unless you leave in a trigger lock or mag lock, but the point is if you want to hand over to a burglar a full, complete firearm that they just pick up and use then go for it - I don't, because I think it's a stupid option.

It has always confused me when I hear this from people,

How, if your A cat storage is designed to stop the opportunistic burglar, does storing your bolt separately stop them from finding a rifle with no bolt (after breaking in to a safe no less), and then finding your bolt? Burglars aren't as stupid as 'hunters', in general. I know where most people store their bolts (not locked).

that would mean:

a- If they managed to get into the safe they probably are not an opportunistic burglar so therefore your damned either way.
b- If they are stealing a rifle they don't have a licence, but a bolt requires no licence to buy? Sure, they cost a lot, but they are crims, they can afford it or just nick one.
c- you join the 50% (made up number) of people that have lost their bolt, because they store it separately, usually unlocked, and forgot where they put it either after a long hunt, or a house move.

I think its a ridiculous idea personally.

Also, I think burglars look for locks and safes before going through anything else, as it instantly says "steal me if you can!", so a hidden safe should be safer than a locked cupboard in general.

Bunnies next year?

Chris

Originally Posted by crnkin

It has always confused me when I hear this from people,

How, if your A cat storage is designed to stop the opportunistic burglar, does storing your bolt separately stop them from finding a rifle with no bolt (after breaking in to a safe no less), and then finding your bolt? Burglars aren't as stupid as 'hunters', in general. I know where most people store their bolts (not locked).

that would mean:

a- If they managed to get into the safe they probably are not an opportunistic burglar so therefore your damned either way.
b- If they are stealing a rifle they don't have a licence, but a bolt requires no licence to buy? Sure, they cost a lot, but they are crims, they can afford it or just nick one.
c- you join the 50% (made up number) of people that have lost their bolt, because they store it separately, usually unlocked, and forgot where they put it either after a long hunt, or a house move.

I think its a ridiculous idea personally.

Also, I think burglars look for locks and safes before going through anything else, as it instantly says "steal me if you can!", so a hidden safe should be safer than a locked cupboard in general.

Bunnies next year?

Chris

I think that's a pretty irresponsible way of looking at it.

Not bothering to store the bolts separately because they might find them anyway?

A- maybe they found your key hidden in a stupid place.
B- The order and sale of rifle bolts would be rather easy to track.
C- Sacrificing firearm security because you might be stupid and lose your bolt is not a valid reason, take more care.

D- It's not just burglars you're trying to keep away from your firearms, many children have killed themselves or siblings because they've gotten a hold of firearms.

As for burglars not being as stupid as most hunters, I'm guessing you haven't met many/any then.

I've never kept my bolt or magazines in the lock up inside the safe - seemed a bit illogical to me - so mine have been locked up separately. But then I've never understood why some people would 'hide' a key to their safe anywhere on the property in the 1st place. 'Not sure if Mr Low IQ Burglar would want to go through the challenge of finding a new bolt for a firearm, so it looks like I'll agree to disagree.

My personal experiences in gunshops have been that when I've handed a firearm over for whatever reason I've needed to show my FAL to get my hands on it again.

Bunnies, yup hope to in 2014, but I'd probably do the same as this year - I'll wander the farm having a zen moment listening to music and blowing the buggars into small pieces while you guys can stay up all night

Originally Posted by crnkin

It has always confused me when I hear this from people,

How, if your A cat storage is designed to stop the opportunistic burglar, does storing your bolt separately stop them from finding a rifle with no bolt (after breaking in to a safe no less), and then finding your bolt? Burglars aren't as stupid as 'hunters', in general. I know where most people store their bolts (not locked).

that would mean:

a- If they managed to get into the safe they probably are not an opportunistic burglar so therefore your damned either way.
b- If they are stealing a rifle they don't have a licence, but a bolt requires no licence to buy? Sure, they cost a lot, but they are crims, they can afford it or just nick one.
c- you join the 50% (made up number) of people that have lost their bolt, because they store it separately, usually unlocked, and forgot where they put it either after a long hunt, or a house move.

I think its a ridiculous idea personally.

Also, I think burglars look for locks and safes before going through anything else, as it instantly says "steal me if you can!", so a hidden safe should be safer than a locked cupboard in general.

Bunnies next year?

Chris