Thread: Firearms Security Submission

Originally Posted by Towely

Pretty much every aspect of all our lives is controlled. Doesnt sound like we are very "free" to me.

We have freedom of speech and that's the most important freedom of all.

Travelling the world when I was a young whipper snapper opened my eye's to how lucky and free we are.

Originally Posted by 10-Ring

We have freedom of speech and that's the most important freedom of all.

Travelling the world when I was a young whipper snapper opened my eye's to how lucky and free we are.

We should probably fight to reserve our current rights then yeah?

You mean current "privileges" we real have very few "Rights" in this country!

Aaaaaand the thread is gone to shit

Originally Posted by 308

Aaaaaand the thread is gone to shit

@308,

Maybe so ... or maybe it's just that what got said was all there really was to say.

For my part, I did have second thoughts whether I should have made my submission (given that the exercise is a police hierarchy ultra vires kind of thing) but then again, but on the face of it it was a chance to contribute some common sense.

One thing is very clear to me: the draft storage policy document is not primarily based on knowledge about firearms and their relative dangerousness. It's a passive aggressive political move against firearms owners, a stifling political exercise in graduated pressure.

"graduated" - 1 adjective Graduated means increasing by regular amounts or grades.

@Cordite

Sounds like gradualism to me:

In politics, gradualism is the hypothesis that social change can be achieved in small, discrete increments rather than in abrupt strokes such as revolutions or uprisings. Gradualism is one of the defining features of political liberalism and reformism.[4] In Machiavellian politics, congressmen are pushed to espouse gradualism.

In socialist politics and within the socialist movement, the concept of gradualism is frequently distinguished from reformism, with the former insisting that short-term goals need to be formulated and implemented in such a way that they inevitably lead into long-term goals. It is most commonly associated with the libertarian socialist concept of dual power and is seen as a middle way between reformism and revolutionism.

Martin Luther King, Jr. was opposed to the idea of gradualism as a method of eliminating segregation. The government wanted to try to integrate African-Americans and European-Americans slowly into the same society, but many believed it was a way for the government to put off actually doing anything about racial segregation:

Apply this to what is happening here with NZ's firearm culture and start connecting the dots.

Originally Posted by Maca49

You mean current "privileges" we real have very few "Rights" in this country!

You have the right to mistinterpret and misunderstand.... to form unsubstantible opinion and even to express it... what more do we need?

@Sasquatch

Of course I agree, no difference but different words. Montgomery in his book "The Path to Leadership" politely characterised Nikita Kruschev, whom he'd met in person, as "one who understands the art of graduated pressure". MLK may have been right in his circumstance, but in the case of "gun control" (whis is only so in name of course) the gradual pressure IS on, and it is a ratchet mechanism.

Originally Posted by Sidney

You have the right to mistinterpret and misunderstand.... to form unsubstantible opinion and even to express it... what more do we need?

Freedom without all this PC crap!! You cannot say what your thinking these days, you may offended, so don't answer this, I don't enjoy being upset and a cry baby!

Originally Posted by Maca49

Freedom without all this PC crap!! You cannot say what your thinking these days, you may offended, so don't answer this, I don't enjoy being upset and a cry baby!

@Maca49

People being upset about what we say is one thing: their problem.

People being upset at how we say it: our problem.

People taking pseudo-offense at anything they disagree with (think Antifa), well, you were not going to change their mind anyway!
But they should be reasoned with all the same as you cannot know for certain what sort they are until you've tried, and for the sake of bystanders.

Originally Posted by Cordite

@Maca49

People being upset about what we say is one thing: their problem.

People being upset at how we say it: our problem.

People taking pseudo-offense at anything they disagree with (think Antifa), well, you were not going to change their mind anyway!
But they should be reasoned with all the same as you cannot know for certain what sort they are until you've tried, and for the sake of bystanders.

Isnt that the way of the old world? Not many people would last at smoko ( that's morning tea, to all you believers) at my place, ah the over 50s at their worse!!

Originally Posted by 308

Aaaaaand the thread is gone to shit

You're not wrong

@Beavis @40mm @Nickoli @Paddy79 @Pengy @shooternz @199p @Tmmy @paddygonebush @7mmwsm @Marty Henry @gonetropo @systolic @Danny @steve @A330driver @timattalon @muzza @mikee @Maca49 @steve 123 @Sidney @308 @Jexla @Sasquatch @10-Ring @Gibo @Towely @JWB

As you all read about the police consultation exercise I guess most of you made a submission.

I never received acknowledgement of my emailed submission. Did anyone else?

Originally Posted by Cordite

@Beavis @40mm @Nickoli @Paddy79 @Pengy @shooternz @199p @Tmmy @paddygonebush @7mmwsm @Marty Henry @gonetropo @systolic @Danny @steve @A330driver @timattalon @muzza @mikee @Maca49 @steve 123 @Sidney @308 @Jexla @Sasquatch @10-Ring @Gibo @Towely @JWB

As you all read about the police consultation exercise I guess most of you made a submission.

I never received acknowledgement of my emailed submission. Did anyone else?

Only the Std Reply acknowldging reciept if email.
i guess that means all the submissions went into "file 13'

no but i got one from Stewart nash who i cc into the email