Thread: Firearms in Vehicles

My Bergara is 80cm fully assembled. Short enough not to draw attention. Broken down, you could take it anywhere. It's a shame I have to conceal it as if I'm doing something wrong, but that's the way things are now.

Out of sight in a locked pelican case in locked vehicle , bolt comes with me if I leave the vehicle to go into shop etc .
That doesn’t mean I would leave it overnight etc , just for short periods away from the car .

good luck getting past the great big black dog sitting in car with rifle.......and even better luck doing so without me hearing the screams as she takes hunk out of arm....wife n I pretty good at taking turns waiting in wagon if we have bangstick onboard....

Technically Lincoln was correct at the time....

There is a technical breach to not have the rifle in your possession outside of your own security provisions at your home address.

Clearly its a catch 22, the trick will always be how you manage the ambiguity. If the police feel that your have been responsible in securing your firearm, out of sight, inoperable locked inside an otherwise secure vehicle while you got to the toilet, or to obtain a meal, all whilst minimising the time away and perhaps seeking to remain in eyesight of the vehicle - then you are probably fine until you run into the arsehole who wants to get technical with you.

I guess Lincoln was being that guy... at the other end of the spectrum. I am not sure that he wasn't making a legitimate point, by pointing out the idiocy technically forced on us and the poor defensive bombastic inarticulate little policeman that day couldn't deal with it... But the willingness of the police to misrepresent, lie and fabricate evidence as a result of not liking effectively being held to account for trying to act outside of the law, is a warning to us all.

A dangerous game to play as all found out I guess...

Its very unfortunate that we have such power hungry regulators who believe that they should always hold the power but be the distributors of discretion. They want us exposed continually and therefore controllable. I am firmly of the position that society should only hold enough power to prevent disaster, not to subject individuals to punitive control.

Everywhere around me, I run into people who seem happy with the state having that power - its rather sickening, particularly when you consider that the state is supposed to be subject to the people in a democracy, not the other way around.

Originally Posted by Sidney

Everywhere around me, I run into people who seem happy with the state having that power - its rather sickening, particularly when you consider that the state is supposed to be subject to the people in a democracy, not the other way around.

^This.

You, as a responsible firearms user, should plan your trip so as to minimise the likelihood of having to leave the (disabled) firearm in your vehicle. Come on guys, as John Key would say, "it's not rocket surgery"...

Originally Posted by Ranger 888

You, as a responsible firearms user, should plan your trip so as to minimise the likelihood of having to leave the (disabled) firearm in your vehicle. Come on guys, as John Key would say, "it's not rocket surgery"...

You're kidding aren't you?

Or do you never drive far from home?

My longest single day drive to a competition is 6 1/2 hours.
I don't plan to stay in the vehicle for 6 1/2 hours.
I need a break, food and liquids over that time.

Originally Posted by Cyclops

You're kidding aren't you?

Or do you never drive far from home?

My longest single day drive to a competition is 6 1/2 hours.
I don't plan to stay in the vehicle for 6 1/2 hours.
I need a break, food and liquids over that time.

I doubt he is kidding, because he is right. I think you are misinterpreting what he has written. He says "minimize the liklihood", not eliminate. As in go to the toilet, get food or petrol whatever, but don't load up your car with all your hunting or competition gear then drive 5 minutes to your local supermarket and spend half an hour inside getting your groceries (or go to the movies!). Do that beforehand. Different story if you live in the wop-wops though and its not practical to do separate trips.

Originally Posted by Cyclops

You're kidding aren't you?

Or do you never drive far from home?

My longest single day drive to a competition is 6 1/2 hours.
I don't plan to stay in the vehicle for 6 1/2 hours.
I need a break, food and liquids over that time.

I agree with Ranger 888. Make sammy's, fill a flask, stop at a roadside layby on the way. To me that is 'responsible' and planning put together.

Actually if my firearm is in a locked vehicle and I have not been negligent in the manner it is stored or visible, then the crime is committed by the offender who breaks in and steals it. Not me.

But the way the law is at the moment, you are the criminal, you are the most likely to get prosecuted because apprehending the actual criminals is a whole lot harder. Understanding that is not rocket surgery either... and neither is it equitable.

The transference of responsiblity to those who have not acted or been negligent, or have not intended harm, to either prevent criminality, or to call to account for some unfortunate event is a fricken national sport for the emotionally affected and simple.

Someone must be held accountable is the catch cry of the stupid. We are riddled with this stuff, its pathetic, its neither preventative or remedial its simply retribution... and is about the exercise of force on otherwise compliant citizens.

Don't sanction stupidity.... the cost is more that we can understand...

This is the only image that I can find of a Police vehicle lockbox - I dont know if it is current. Surely if we transport our firearms in a manner equivalent to the manner in which the Police themselves transport ( and leave unattended ) firearms we are covered. If we are considered to be breaking the law, then we are breaking it no more and no less than the Police must be breaking the law ?? https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=i&ur...r4kDegUIARCBAQ

Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

This is the only image that I can find of a Police vehicle lockbox - I dont know if it is current. Surely if we transport our firearms in a manner equivalent to the manner in which the Police themselves transport ( and leave unattended ) firearms we are covered. If we are considered to be breaking the law, then we are breaking it no more and no less than the Police must be breaking the law ?? https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=i&ur...r4kDegUIARCBAQ

Someone already answered your post, but here is the actual drawer safe used by NZ Police. I'd not go for exactly that, but instead lock the firearm in the car in a concealment and the bolt would still come with me if detachable.





(But I'd not carry half a shotgun around. English police shot Harry Stanley who carried a table leg in a plastic bag. His offense was being Scottish, which someone had mistakenly mistaken for him having an Irish accent and their AOS got called in. I mean, it would be OK shooting someone for actually being Irish, no?)

Originally Posted by Cordite

Someone already answered your post, but here is the actual drawer safe used by NZ Police. I'd not go for exactly that, but instead lock the firearm in the car in a concealment and the bolt would still come with me if detachable.


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(But I'd not carry half a shotgun around. English police shot Harry Stanley who carried a table leg in a plastic bag. His offense was being Scottish, which someone had mistakenly mistaken for him having an Irish accent and their AOS got called in. I mean, it would be OK shooting someone for actually being Irish, no?)

Agree on carrying bolt on person. I think shooting the Irish (southern) is going a bit far but following the lead of the American Eugenics society and sterilising them is completely acceptable.

I asked about this and the taking the bolt with you was explained as for those "rock and a hard place" situations, needing to go to the toilet, going in to pay for gas etc" there's a pragmatic element where if you could demonstrate the necessity you could expect understanding, if you were just demonstrating desire/preference i don't think it would be so well recieved. There are some tough situations like when you are in accommodation while traveling and need to go out for food, chain and padlock can be handy but not always good spots to lock things up

No way I'm taking the bolt out or my BLR or a Winny 94 or Rossi 92, Marlin levers anyone?
Yes I can put a cable lock through the action but lets face it that will last 5 seconds with an angle grinder and a cutoff blade. Not all of us use or want bolt action tomato sticks.