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So your AO is choosing not to enforce quite serious regulatory infingements?

44 Selling or supplying pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon to person who does not hold permit to import or to procure
(1) Every person commits an offence and is liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to a fine not exceeding $4,000 or to both who sells or supplies a pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon to any person other than a person who is authorised—

(a) by a permit issued for the purposes of section 16(1) to bring or cause to be brought or sent into New Zealand that pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon; or

(b) by a permit issued under section 35 to procure that pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon.

50 Unlawful possession of pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon
(1) Every person commits an offence and is liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to a fine not exceeding $4,000 or to both who—

(a) is in possession of a pistol and is not a person authorised or permitted, expressly or by implication, by or pursuant to this Act, to be in possession of that pistol; or

(b) is in possession of a restricted weapon and is not a person authorised or permitted, expressly or by implication, by or pursuant to this Act, to be in possession of that restricted weapon:

(c) is in possession of a military style semi-automatic firearm and is not a person authorised or permitted, expressly or by implication, by or pursuant to this Act, to be in possession of that military style semi-automatic firearm.

I am guessing National Police HQ would be very interested in that!

Originally Posted by Southern Man

So your AO is choosing not to enforce quite serious regulatory infingements?

44 Selling or supplying pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon to person who does not hold permit to import or to procure
(1) Every person commits an offence and is liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to a fine not exceeding $4,000 or to both who sells or supplies a pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon to any person other than a person who is authorised—

(a) by a permit issued for the purposes of section 16(1) to bring or cause to be brought or sent into New Zealand that pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon; or

(b) by a permit issued under section 35 to procure that pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon.

50 Unlawful possession of pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon
(1) Every person commits an offence and is liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to a fine not exceeding $4,000 or to both who—

(a) is in possession of a pistol and is not a person authorised or permitted, expressly or by implication, by or pursuant to this Act, to be in possession of that pistol; or

(b) is in possession of a restricted weapon and is not a person authorised or permitted, expressly or by implication, by or pursuant to this Act, to be in possession of that restricted weapon:

(c) is in possession of a military style semi-automatic firearm and is not a person authorised or permitted, expressly or by implication, by or pursuant to this Act, to be in possession of that military style semi-automatic firearm.

I am guessing National Police HQ would be very interested in that!

I didnt say which AO it was.

It seems there are alot of those Pedantic people here he was refering to.

I think it was best I said nothing at all.


You let someone use a Ruger 10/22 with a 10 round mag, no problem

You let someone use a ruger 10/22 thats registered all hell breaks lose.

Originally Posted by Southern Man

So your AO is choosing not to enforce quite serious regulatory infingements?

44 Selling or supplying pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon to person who does not hold permit to import or to procure
(1) Every person commits an offence and is liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to a fine not exceeding $4,000 or to both who sells or supplies a pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon to any person other than a person who is authorised—

(a) by a permit issued for the purposes of section 16(1) to bring or cause to be brought or sent into New Zealand that pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon; or

(b) by a permit issued under section 35 to procure that pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon.

50 Unlawful possession of pistol, military style semi-automatic firearm, or restricted weapon
(1) Every person commits an offence and is liable on conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 years or to a fine not exceeding $4,000 or to both who—

(a) is in possession of a pistol and is not a person authorised or permitted, expressly or by implication, by or pursuant to this Act, to be in possession of that pistol; or

(b) is in possession of a restricted weapon and is not a person authorised or permitted, expressly or by implication, by or pursuant to this Act, to be in possession of that restricted weapon:

(c) is in possession of a military style semi-automatic firearm and is not a person authorised or permitted, expressly or by implication, by or pursuant to this Act, to be in possession of that military style semi-automatic firearm.

I am guessing National Police HQ would be very interested in that!

I didnt say which AO it was.

It seems there are alot of those Pedantic people here he was refering to.

I think it was best I said nothing at all.


You let someone use a Ruger 10/22 with a 10 round mag, no problem

You let someone use a ruger 10/22 thats registered all hell breaks lose.

No one said anyone broke the law

In the arms code it states

Crossing fences
If there is a gate – use it! Never climb a fence while
carrying a firearm. Carrying loaded firearms through
fences and over obstacles can result in injury and death.
• If there are two or more people, one should climb over
the fence without a firearm. Then, pass the unloaded
firearms across with the actions open, and pointed in a
safe direction.


Now how do you follow the arms code with a MSSA ??

Originally Posted by Trevs

In the arms code it states
....
Now how do you follow the arms code with a MSSA ??

A hunting buddy and myself were chasing Wallabies in Fallow Deer country. One up the spout/safety on/muzzle in safe direction (carrying patrol ready)/Snot hook OFF bang switch ... when we came to a fence with no gate for miles (or kilometres for that matter!)

Removed magazines/cleared actions and checked empty chamber sliding MSSAs under fence with actions open being careful not to touch each others endorsed firearms !! Climbed through fence and bent down to retrieve cleared firearm ... and a Fallow Deer jumped up out of the Tussock less than 50 yards away ... Just stood there looking at each other as our safety concious behaviour left us with firearms not yet reloaded. We did laugh about it later and did not do anything different at the next fence - except the one not going through the fence remained cocked and locked till the other was through and loaded before clearing and following.

So I guess that is how it is done but if by yourself just clear and miss the shot!

Well, less than a week to go now, took the last of mine in this morning, my little .22 - it may be old with nothing but memories of blueing left but it still felt good to chuck the metal bar in the bin that's been keeping the grip and stock conjioined all along...

Hmmm... I didn't put my Vepr in to be endorsed, not sure if I can be bothered. Near impossible to get mags out of the USA bigger than 5 rounds anyway.

Originally Posted by dogmatix

Hmmm... I didn't put my Vepr in to be endorsed, not sure if I can be bothered. Near impossible to get mags out of the USA bigger than 5 rounds anyway.

If your talking about a 12g vepr I have one ore two 7/8 round factory mags that I got sent by mistake when ordering saiga12 mags. Never sent them back as I thought I would try to make a mag well for the saiga and never did. If you bolt off the magwell on the v12 you can use s12 mags-including drums and dumping 20 rounds of buckshot into a rolling bucket is something you have to try if you can.

He's talking about the x39mm Vepr.

Speaking of which, could you bring it to the next shoot? I'm keen to check it out.

In that case big mags are easy!

Its actually .308 Win, hence the mags are like hen's teeth. GC has another 5 shot mag for sale on their website.
Will do Ryan.
22nd of this month. Want to carpool?
Be me and another Schmeisser AR shooter from my place.
Might be better taking my wheels, as yours is too low!

.308 is harder! I got some promag 20 rounders for my saiga .308 when it went e cat last time around. Got a import permit easy but finding someone who would export was a pain

Promag do make a 20 shot Vepr .308 mag, so I was tempted.

.308, bah - I thought there might be a banana skin somewhere!

Ja 22nd, all good - I could pick you up and then we debus at Carsten's house for the journey onwards? He'll be dying to take out his new Navara and I was going to stop there anyway.

But easier to reload for... if you don't mind killing the brass after 5 fires.

Mind you, reloading for it is only 25c per round cheaper than buying the steel cased Barnaul SPs.
Might try some of that to see how it goes.

Cool, lets sort out the details closer to the time.