Thread: Gunsmith - triggering event or not?

I am unable to determine from reading the rules whether having gunsmith work done means I need to roll the dice of registering my arms.

Can anyone shed light on this please?

As long as they dont have firearm for more than 3 months

In Thier posession for less than thirty days ....nope.

Awesome.Thank you

Sorry wrong info thought it was 3 months

Technically when you receive your own firearm back from the gunsmith you will have 30 days from then to register evrertthing. Recieving a firearm from a company or an individual is an activating incident. In practice, I am sure any proper gunsmith who has your firearms will put it on their dealer license after 30 days, so you will have to have it registered for him to do that anyway.

So upshot is, no you dont - unless the gunsmith has it for more than 30 days,
and, Yes you will, in order to get it back from the gunsmith anyway. (Technically, according to the FSA website. In practice, they would never know unless you told them.)

unless you have to ship it then it will be

Originally Posted by John Duxbury

Technically when you receive your own firearm back from the gunsmith you will have 30 days from then to register evrertthing. Recieving a firearm from a company or an individual is an activating incident. In practice, I am sure any proper gunsmith who has your firearms will put it on their dealer license after 30 days, so you will have to have it registered for him to do that anyway.

So upshot is, no you dont - unless the gunsmith has it for more than 30 days,
and, Yes you will, in order to get it back from the gunsmith anyway. (Technically, according to the FSA website. In practice, they would never know unless you told them.)

That seems odd, as the firearm was held at the gunsmith on behalf of the owner - the ownership never transferred to them.

Edit. Reading the legislation, if the arm is with the gunsmith for longer than 30 days it will need to be registered with them, and transferred back to you on return - which is an activating event.

Less than 30 days, no issue.

Man - that's a power of paperwork for the poor gunsmiths for not really a whole lot of gain as they still need to record everything about what they've worked on and the work they did for who. I feel for the gun plumbers - that's a bit of a major hit to productivity just in increased admin time that can't be spent on tools. Or, they need to get really good at organising their workload and booking customers in, and in doing so taking the risk that the work never turns up! Ouch...

Before the time limit reaches the cut off period....I'd pick up the firearm and take it home for a day or two, then take it back for the work to be finished. Jus sayn.

I recently shipped a rifle of to TrueFlite for a re-barrel, I had to fill out a mail order form for it to be shipped back to me.

There was no activating event. I checked with the FSA beforehand, and they confirmed it was not an activating event.

Originally Posted by Beetroot

I recently shipped a rifle of to TrueFlite for a re-barrel, I had to fill out a mail order form for it to be shipped back to me.

There was no activating event. I checked with the FSA beforehand, and they confirmed it was not an activating event.

The s43 mail order form is not an activating event. Receiving a firearm is an activating event.

Originally Posted by Ross Nolan

That seems odd, as the firearm was held at the gunsmith on behalf of the owner - the ownership never transferred to them.

Edit. Reading the legislation, if the arm is with the gunsmith for longer than 30 days it will need to be registered with them, and transferred back to you on return - which is an activating event.

Less than 30 days, no issue.

Just receiving your rifle from a gunsmith (or anyone else) is an activating event, according the FSA, whether or not the gunsmith had it for 30 days or a lesser time. However, in practice it is an event they cannot trace.

(When they say the rifle has to be transferred to the Gunsmith's dealer license after 30 days (or anybody you may have lent your rifle to) they are talking in the context of both parties being registered already.)

Originally Posted by John Duxbury

The s43 mail order form is not an activating event. Receiving a firearm is an activating event.

Some of these interactions with the FSA (paperwork etc) are activating events - one was from a mail order form for a suppressor a guy ordered and got the registration notice from there. I have no idea what defines if it is going to mean you are required to register or not - I would have thought that if you are completing paperwork and it means you have to register then it's the same for everyone but it seems like that's not the case?

I would have disputed that a mail order form for a suppressor is an activating event!

With the FSA it seems the people who work there have on one hand very loose interpretations right up to wrong ones, and then quite strict, depending on who you get on the phone. It is more than what a lay person in the community could understand from their own publications, which is what they all are....they all seem to be call centre people who were given a powerpoint presentation on their first day and then told to answer the phones.

(Look even the police whose job it is to enforce and disseminate the new order dont understand the basics. My security inspector insisted that you need to have your ammo in a locked box when traveling in your car. I pointed out that Arms Act literally says, a locked compartment of the vehicle - if practicable. She was unable to understand this.)