I am unable to determine from reading the rules whether having gunsmith work done means I need to roll the dice of registering my arms.
Can anyone shed light on this please?
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I am unable to determine from reading the rules whether having gunsmith work done means I need to roll the dice of registering my arms.
Can anyone shed light on this please?
As long as they dont have firearm for more than 3 months
In Thier posession for less than thirty days ....nope.
Awesome.Thank you
Sorry wrong info thought it was 3 months
Technically when you receive your own firearm back from the gunsmith you will have 30 days from then to register evrertthing. Recieving a firearm from a company or an individual is an activating incident. In practice, I am sure any proper gunsmith who has your firearms will put it on their dealer license after 30 days, so you will have to have it registered for him to do that anyway.
So upshot is, no you dont - unless the gunsmith has it for more than 30 days,
and, Yes you will, in order to get it back from the gunsmith anyway. (Technically, according to the FSA website. In practice, they would never know unless you told them.)
unless you have to ship it then it will be
That seems odd, as the firearm was held at the gunsmith on behalf of the owner - the ownership never transferred to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Duxbury
Edit. Reading the legislation, if the arm is with the gunsmith for longer than 30 days it will need to be registered with them, and transferred back to you on return - which is an activating event.
Less than 30 days, no issue.
Man - that's a power of paperwork for the poor gunsmiths for not really a whole lot of gain as they still need to record everything about what they've worked on and the work they did for who. I feel for the gun plumbers - that's a bit of a major hit to productivity just in increased admin time that can't be spent on tools. Or, they need to get really good at organising their workload and booking customers in, and in doing so taking the risk that the work never turns up! Ouch...
Before the time limit reaches the cut off period....I'd pick up the firearm and take it home for a day or two, then take it back for the work to be finished. Jus sayn.
I recently shipped a rifle of to TrueFlite for a re-barrel, I had to fill out a mail order form for it to be shipped back to me.
There was no activating event. I checked with the FSA beforehand, and they confirmed it was not an activating event.
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Originally Posted by Beetroot
The s43 mail order form is not an activating event. Receiving a firearm is an activating event.
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Originally Posted by Ross Nolan
Just receiving your rifle from a gunsmith (or anyone else) is an activating event, according the FSA, whether or not the gunsmith had it for 30 days or a lesser time. However, in practice it is an event they cannot trace.
(When they say the rifle has to be transferred to the Gunsmith's dealer license after 30 days (or anybody you may have lent your rifle to) they are talking in the context of both parties being registered already.)
Some of these interactions with the FSA (paperwork etc) are activating events - one was from a mail order form for a suppressor a guy ordered and got the registration notice from there. I have no idea what defines if it is going to mean you are required to register or not - I would have thought that if you are completing paperwork and it means you have to register then it's the same for everyone but it seems like that's not the case?Quote:
Originally Posted by John Duxbury
I would have disputed that a mail order form for a suppressor is an activating event!
With the FSA it seems the people who work there have on one hand very loose interpretations right up to wrong ones, and then quite strict, depending on who you get on the phone. It is more than what a lay person in the community could understand from their own publications, which is what they all are....they all seem to be call centre people who were given a powerpoint presentation on their first day and then told to answer the phones.
(Look even the police whose job it is to enforce and disseminate the new order dont understand the basics. My security inspector insisted that you need to have your ammo in a locked box when traveling in your car. I pointed out that Arms Act literally says, a locked compartment of the vehicle - if practicable. She was unable to understand this.)
That's exactly what I found myself in with what I was doing - carting the ammo in a ute with a lockable canopy/tray. Firearms in the cab, so I thought I was complying with everything in separately locked compartments of the vehicle. Turned up where I was going and everyone commented that I didn't have the ammo in a locked box. I was like huh? Where does it say I need a locked box?Quote:
Originally Posted by John Duxbury
Quick googling, followed by more discussion and then an argument or three and we all agreed to expand our horizons on what size 'locked box' the ammo was in. Buggered if I know - it's almost like you need a copy of the Arms Act in your back pocket now, quite shit really.
apparently a locked glovebox is a locked box, the ute canopy would be harder to break into
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Originally Posted by No.3
The arms act does say “where practical” , see (e) bellow.
19B Conditions relating to storage of firearms in vehicles during transportation
(1)
Unless otherwise permitted by a member of the Police, if a firearms licence holder is transporting firearms or ammunition in a vehicle on a road or public access way,—
(a)
firearms must be concealed from view from outside of the vehicle; and
(b)
firearms must be made inoperable if readily possible by removing the bolt or another vital part (which should be kept on the licence holder’s person or stored out of sight separately from the firearms) or, if that is not possible (for example, because the firearm is a lever action or semi-automatic or single shot firearm), firearms must be fitted with a trigger lock or travel in a locked case or carry bag; and
(c)
firearms must not be loaded with ammunition in the breech, barrel, chamber, or magazine; and
(d)
ammunition must be concealed from view from outside of the vehicle; and
(e)
ammunition must be stored separately from any firearms and be in a locked glovebox or similar storage area where practicable.
If we have your firearm for less than 30 days it is not an activating circumstance. You are not required to register your firearm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boner
You are mistaken, there is an allowance in the arms act for temporary transfer. As long as we hand your firearm back with 30 days, you are not required to register it.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Duxbury
95 Obligation to provide information to registry
(1)
This section applies to the following persons:
(a)
every holder of a firearms licence:
(b)
every holder of a dealer’s licence:
(c)
every other person who is or intends to be in possession of a firearm or other item regulated by or under this Act.
(2)
This section also applies to the following events in relation to any firearm or other item regulated by or under this Act:
(a)
its sale or supply, excluding a temporary transfer:
(b)
its purchase or receipt, excluding a temporary transfer:
(c)
its importation:
(d)
its exportation:
(e)
its manufacture:
(f)
its theft, loss, or destruction:
(g)
any other event specified for the purpose of this section in regulations made under section 74.
(3)
Every person to whom this section applies, and every person who has responsibilty in relation to any event to which this section applies, must provide the relevant details to the Police in accordance with the time and any other requirements prescribed by regulations made under section 74.
(4)
In this section, temporary transfer means a transfer of possession of the firearm (not being a pistol, restricted weapon, prohibited magazine, or prohibited firearm) or other item for less than 30 days.
Sweet - thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by DPT
‘Other item’ in last line, what is defined as other item?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPT
I suspect any item that is required to be in the register and is not already integrated into a firearm. For instance an action.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finnwolf
So sights, slings, magazines and stocks etc don’t count?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPT
Correct. With the exception of prohibited magazines.Quote:
Originally Posted by Finnwolf
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Thanks for that DPT, appreciated.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPT
Except to ship it back you need a mail order for.and then your receiving a firearm and that is then a registration even. Or so I was just told.
They have so many definitions I can't keep up
What’s an “antique” firearm?
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Originally Posted by Maca49
antique firearm—
(a)
means—
(i)
any firearm that—
(A)
is held in the possession of any person solely as an antique (but not as a copy or replica of an antique); and
(B)
is not designed for firing, and is not capable of firing, rimfire or centrefire cartridge ammunition; or
(ii)
any firearm declared by regulations made under this Act to be an antique firearm for the purposes of this Act; but
(b)
does not include any firearm manufactured after 1899
See post #18 by DPT.
I am bemused, and sometimes disheartened, by the seemingly endless (mis)interpretation of what is written in the Regulations w.r.t. the carriage of firearms and ammunition.
Firstly, you would be well advised to visit the FSA website and download the pdf titled “Secure storage and transportation guide for firearms and ammunition”.
Go here to access that pdf https://www.firearmssafetyauthority....and-ammunition
Go to page 21 and (carefully) read section 6.3 – Regulation r19B.
Take particular note of 2. “Subclause (1) does not apply to a firearms licence holder if — (b) the licence holder is in the vehicle with the firearms or in the immediate vicinity of the vehicle in which the firearms are located.”
Don’t shoot the messenger; all I’m doing is placing the text of the Regulations here i.e. if you remain in the immediate vicinity of the vehicle (they are in your immediate possession) clause 1 does NOT apply – they don’t have to be locked up.
By all means, go right ahead and do anything over and above what is actually required but be practical and use common sense.
I believe you should be reading (a) to its full extent, note the “and” at the end. To me that says you need to fulfill (a) as well as (b) for that to apply.Quote:
Originally Posted by no1_49er
Subclause (1) does not apply to a firearms licence holder if—
(a)
the holder is using a vehicle on a farm and undertaking farm-related activities, or is actively engaged in legally authorised hunting or wild animal or animal pest control on farmland, public land, or land used for an agricultural, a horticultural, or a silviculture business on which they are permitted to use firearms; and
(b)
the licence holder is in the vehicle with the firearms or in the immediate vicinity of the vehicle in which the firearms are located.
Pretty ironic statement considering you are pushing misinformation here.Quote:
Originally Posted by no1_49er
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The "and" is pretty important. You must have your firearm and ammunition secured in the ways they state earlier unless you are hunting etc AND are currently in the vehicle.
Otherwise they would have written «*Or*»
