Thread: Gunsmith - triggering event or not?

I am unable to determine from reading the rules whether having gunsmith work done means I need to roll the dice of registering my arms.

Can anyone shed light on this please?

As long as they dont have firearm for more than 3 months

In Thier posession for less than thirty days ....nope.

Awesome.Thank you

Sorry wrong info thought it was 3 months

Technically when you receive your own firearm back from the gunsmith you will have 30 days from then to register evrertthing. Recieving a firearm from a company or an individual is an activating incident. In practice, I am sure any proper gunsmith who has your firearms will put it on their dealer license after 30 days, so you will have to have it registered for him to do that anyway.

So upshot is, no you dont - unless the gunsmith has it for more than 30 days,
and, Yes you will, in order to get it back from the gunsmith anyway. (Technically, according to the FSA website. In practice, they would never know unless you told them.)

Originally Posted by John Duxbury

Technically when you receive your own firearm back from the gunsmith you will have 30 days from then to register evrertthing. Recieving a firearm from a company or an individual is an activating incident. In practice, I am sure any proper gunsmith who has your firearms will put it on their dealer license after 30 days, so you will have to have it registered for him to do that anyway.

So upshot is, no you dont - unless the gunsmith has it for more than 30 days,
and, Yes you will, in order to get it back from the gunsmith anyway. (Technically, according to the FSA website. In practice, they would never know unless you told them.)

That seems odd, as the firearm was held at the gunsmith on behalf of the owner - the ownership never transferred to them.

Edit. Reading the legislation, if the arm is with the gunsmith for longer than 30 days it will need to be registered with them, and transferred back to you on return - which is an activating event.

Less than 30 days, no issue.

Originally Posted by Ross Nolan

That seems odd, as the firearm was held at the gunsmith on behalf of the owner - the ownership never transferred to them.

Edit. Reading the legislation, if the arm is with the gunsmith for longer than 30 days it will need to be registered with them, and transferred back to you on return - which is an activating event.

Less than 30 days, no issue.

Just receiving your rifle from a gunsmith (or anyone else) is an activating event, according the FSA, whether or not the gunsmith had it for 30 days or a lesser time. However, in practice it is an event they cannot trace.

(When they say the rifle has to be transferred to the Gunsmith's dealer license after 30 days (or anybody you may have lent your rifle to) they are talking in the context of both parties being registered already.)

Originally Posted by John Duxbury

Just receiving your rifle from a gunsmith (or anyone else) is an activating event, according the FSA, whether or not the gunsmith had it for 30 days or a lesser time. However, in practice it is an event they cannot trace.

(When they say the rifle has to be transferred to the Gunsmith's dealer license after 30 days (or anybody you may have lent your rifle to) they are talking in the context of both parties being registered already.)

You are mistaken, there is an allowance in the arms act for temporary transfer. As long as we hand your firearm back with 30 days, you are not required to register it.

95 Obligation to provide information to registry
(1)
This section applies to the following persons:
(a)
every holder of a firearms licence:
(b)
every holder of a dealer’s licence:
(c)
every other person who is or intends to be in possession of a firearm or other item regulated by or under this Act.
(2)
This section also applies to the following events in relation to any firearm or other item regulated by or under this Act:
(a)
its sale or supply, excluding a temporary transfer:
(b)
its purchase or receipt, excluding a temporary transfer:
(c)
its importation:
(d)
its exportation:
(e)
its manufacture:
(f)
its theft, loss, or destruction:
(g)
any other event specified for the purpose of this section in regulations made under section 74.
(3)
Every person to whom this section applies, and every person who has responsibilty in relation to any event to which this section applies, must provide the relevant details to the Police in accordance with the time and any other requirements prescribed by regulations made under section 74.
(4)
In this section, temporary transfer means a transfer of possession of the firearm (not being a pistol, restricted weapon, prohibited magazine, or prohibited firearm) or other item for less than 30 days.

Originally Posted by DPT

You are mistaken, there is an allowance in the arms act for temporary transfer. As long as we hand your firearm back with 30 days, you are not required to register it.

95 Obligation to provide information to registry
(1)
This section applies to the following persons:
(a)
every holder of a firearms licence:
(b)
every holder of a dealer’s licence:
(c)
every other person who is or intends to be in possession of a firearm or other item regulated by or under this Act.
(2)
This section also applies to the following events in relation to any firearm or other item regulated by or under this Act:
(a)
its sale or supply, excluding a temporary transfer:
(b)
its purchase or receipt, excluding a temporary transfer:
(c)
its importation:
(d)
its exportation:
(e)
its manufacture:
(f)
its theft, loss, or destruction:
(g)
any other event specified for the purpose of this section in regulations made under section 74.
(3)
Every person to whom this section applies, and every person who has responsibilty in relation to any event to which this section applies, must provide the relevant details to the Police in accordance with the time and any other requirements prescribed by regulations made under section 74.
(4)
In this section, temporary transfer means a transfer of possession of the firearm (not being a pistol, restricted weapon, prohibited magazine, or prohibited firearm) or other item for less than 30 days.

‘Other item’ in last line, what is defined as other item?

Except to ship it back you need a mail order for.and then your receiving a firearm and that is then a registration even. Or so I was just told.
They have so many definitions I can't keep up

unless you have to ship it then it will be

Man - that's a power of paperwork for the poor gunsmiths for not really a whole lot of gain as they still need to record everything about what they've worked on and the work they did for who. I feel for the gun plumbers - that's a bit of a major hit to productivity just in increased admin time that can't be spent on tools. Or, they need to get really good at organising their workload and booking customers in, and in doing so taking the risk that the work never turns up! Ouch...

Before the time limit reaches the cut off period....I'd pick up the firearm and take it home for a day or two, then take it back for the work to be finished. Jus sayn.

I recently shipped a rifle of to TrueFlite for a re-barrel, I had to fill out a mail order form for it to be shipped back to me.

There was no activating event. I checked with the FSA beforehand, and they confirmed it was not an activating event.