Heard that the FSA has ruled that gunsmiths can only have 1 firearm on site at any time.
So not sure how they're going to continue to operate if thats the case.
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Heard that the FSA has ruled that gunsmiths can only have 1 firearm on site at any time.
So not sure how they're going to continue to operate if thats the case.
The classic response to that should be "Show me the rule"!Quote:
Originally Posted by cambo
What possible logic could there be that a Law Abiding Firearm Owner can own any number of firearms, providing always that they are properly secured, but that gunsmith can only have one?
Sorry till I hear that from a gunsmith, I'm calling rumour mill/bullshit?Quote:
Originally Posted by cambo
Would you mind sharing the ruling?
Was told directly from a very well known and experienced smithy. Hes been getting hassled by the fsa. Suspect he's not alone.
Not like his security isn't up to spec or anything.
He has very extensive security.
Sounds like the fsa have an axe to grind and are picking on smiths now
To the point he has said he'll have to shut down as there is no way forward for him to operate
yeah there is...two properties....or two titles on same property.... but there will be much more to this than has been said.
One on site being worked on or one on the entire site? It's a bit waffed if only one on site and multiple staff... Even one in a cnc machine and one under prep without another in a tank and a fourth being assembled...
If true it would seem the FSA people might not be the most practical out there in terms of business survival, the FSA might not like firearms in the community by assessment of what they do but gunsmiths are absolutely necessary as a public safety function.
News to me, sounds like rubbish.
The Gunsmith Licence is just a Dealers Licence with no quantity restrictions.
That makes about as much sense as retailers only having one firearm in stock......Quote:
Originally Posted by cambo
Heard same conditions apply to retailers from 1st April 2025.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
Has anyone asked the FSA for a ruling so its in writing? Without that its all speculation.
Id be checking with someone on face book
That sounds like a suitable date.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetawa
GPM.
You mean there are retailers with more than one????? Ha!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kiwi Greg
well just read everything on FSA web site re gunsmiths dealers nothing unusual there
Facebook, such a reliable source of information not.Quote:
Originally Posted by blip
Since I see no one else has done so, I have sent a few questions regarding these rumours and under what sections of the firearms act they are possibly being enacted to the FSA. See if I get an answer or not, they’re usually pretty straight up with replies to questions.
good on ya mate someone buy that man a beer
The current Arms Act and the current Arms Regulations (two pieces of legislation that have to be read in conjunction, The Arms Act being the document that empowers the Regulations) are the only, and final word, on what is lawful. All Police policy, advice from Arms Officers, directives from the FSA, etc. is irrelevant unless it complies strictly with the legislation, and can be ignored. Remember that legislation only tells you what can't do. If something is not prohibited or otherwise regulated then it is legal to do. Having said that, always be prepared to stand your legal ground in the Courts. The Police often pursue cases when they think they can get way with it due to their, often unlawful, interpretation of the law. Only the Courts may interpret the law, and they are bound by the 'plain English' legislative requirements.
For those interested in a bit of light reading:
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/...html#LMS440359
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/...html#LMS256577
https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regu...html#DLM168889
Greetings,
I gather, and I could be wrong, that gunsmiths along with the rest of us are only allowed to keep a firearm for 30 days without registering it. Perhaps someone who is hard of understanding or prone to hyperbole has mis interpreted this.
Just a thought. GPM.
Aren't they required to add it to their dealer book immediately on receipt and then update within 30? Slightly different setup for the dealer/gunsmith types I thought? Might be well wrong on that though.Quote:
Originally Posted by grandpamac
I am a bit vague on the details but believed there was some 30 day requirement of some sort. It seemed a likely source for the one rifle claim that seems to have no basis in fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by No.3
GPM.
I think the 30 day was a rifle can be transferred from one person to another for up to 30 days without triggering an ownership transfer (assuming that both parties are already in the register system) I have no idea how that applies to a smith or dealer preumably they would want to get the job sorted and returned within the 30 days so they get paid for it registration or not.....Quote:
Originally Posted by grandpamac
sounds like a need to drop a note to St Nicole of the .303- she would be interested and may ACT upon it and demand answers of the FSA. otherwise Id run with Gundocs advice cause I have in my possesion a written copy a judicial decision which he was involved in and which showed up quite clearly the pig headed attitudes of some members of "Commander Costers coffee club".Justice Jillian Mallon had some quite blunt comments of the efforts of such blue clad persons,acting as judge jury and executioner,and left them in no doubt they were to pull their heads in!
so any business with two or more gunsmiths...or households with FAL holders can play merrygungorounds indefinately change possesion every four weeks and nope..no paperwork needed LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by timattalon
Yeah been noted before that you could go round and round in circles quite lawfully. One wag cynically noted that this must be the criminal ownership loophole...
Let's be honest here.
It isn't realistic and shouldn't be allowed, but with the muppets in charge who the hell would know what they are up ho.
I'm sure they would like to enforce this to shut people out with no other logic to back it up
maybe read what's at the bottom of my postsQuote:
Originally Posted by woods223
BULLSHIT! Next the FSA will be telling farmers that they are only allowed one cow! BULLSHIT!
FSA funny stuff alright
Yea, nah. Generally don't waste my time reading by-lines on posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by blip
Its only bullshit if true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh Shields
So far its 3 pages of conjecture based on an "I heard".
Woods223 is on to it. Go ask them.
Three pages?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Mate that must be tedious having to go to next page after every 15 posts of spurious conjecture, go into settings and change it to 40 posts per page.
Click settings top right of web page, then general settings on left. Then scroll down to this:
Attachment 252243
Thanks @Makros better late than never. It was a mission reading 2000+ pages in the jokes thread when I joined the forum.
:roll:
But well worth it :)Quote:
Originally Posted by No good names left
Hear hear.......That thread must be some sort of record.....Most pages / longest time and still essentially On topic....it has drifted occasionally but has always come back to the original topic.....40,000 posts on one thread.....Damn!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by 7mmsaum
I couldn't find anything on the FSA site but herein lies the problem, we are now dealing with Bureaucrats who will have myriad interpretations of already confusing FSA interpretations of Legislation. As I have said they are duplicitous. Note the clause(s) left out of the Fit & Proper Definition on the website as opposed to what came out of Parliament as an example.
Greetings All,
We are now fast approaching 40 posts and not one shred of evidence has appeared to support the OP. It seems to me that there is none and the classification of BS is appropriate.
GPM.
True - but it has filled in an otherwise dreary winters weekend so not totally a loss.
