Thread: A heads up

the issue here tho is not the FAL holder it is someone who resides with them , now the FAL holder has proven over many years that he is fit and proper and takes their security seriously follows the law rgarding access and security to the tee and yet some pencil pushing person (a sworm officer) not qualified to make assessmemts on mental health sitting in some office in wellington will arbitrarily decide that even tho you have met all the security criteria and then some and you are fit and proper law abiding , he will with a stroke of a pen remove your firearms.... under the threat of "if you dont comply we will temporarily suspend your licence" now dont be fooled when they say this when you speak to an arms officer they will tell you temorary suspension ALWAYS leads to revokation. bear in mind this is all done over the phone (by glorified telemarketers) if you ask for it in writing or ask for the name of the guy making the decision you will be told "not until you agree to comply then we will send something in writing" and when that written copy arrives they will have added a whole lot more restrictions you hadnt agreed to

Originally Posted by scotty

now dont be fooled when they say this when you speak to an arms officer they will tell you temorary suspension ALWAYS leads to revokation.

To be fair here, this is not correct and there have been a couple of cases I am aware of where the initiating complaint was found to be without merit and the licence reinstated. Although to be fair the uplift in one of those cases left a lot to be desired on the attitude front from the gentleman doing the uplift of the firearms and licence. Also the means at which that licence holder was informed left a hell of a lot to be desired too.

Originally Posted by scotty

the issue here tho is not the FAL holder it is someone who resides with them , now the FAL holder has proven over many years that he is fit and proper and takes their security seriously follows the law rgarding access and security to the tee and yet some pencil pushing person (a sworm officer) not qualified to make assessmemts on mental health sitting in some office in wellington will arbitrarily decide that even tho you have met all the security criteria and then some and you are fit and proper law abiding , he will with a stroke of a pen remove your firearms.... under the threat of "if you dont comply we will temporarily suspend your licence" now dont be fooled when they say this when you speak to an arms officer they will tell you temorary suspension ALWAYS leads to revokation. bear in mind this is all done over the phone (by glorified telemarketers) if you ask for it in writing or ask for the name of the guy making the decision you will be told "not until you agree to comply then we will send something in writing" and when that written copy arrives they will have added a whole lot more restrictions you hadnt agreed to

I think that a phone call to Nick Taylor is what is needed here.

No way should they ever withhold their identity. It's almost akin to a blackmail like situation. If they are acting lawfully, there should be no issue to identify ones self, and to go down this track I would suggest is at the very least unprofessional, let alone unlawful.

The FSA will always err on the side of caution, because they do not want the media scrutiny when things go bad. However, good people's rights are being trampled under the weight of this caution.

Originally Posted by scotty

the issue here tho is not the FAL holder it is someone who resides with them , now the FAL holder has proven over many years that he is fit and proper and takes their security seriously follows the law rgarding access and security to the tee and yet some pencil pushing person (a sworm officer) not qualified to make assessmemts on mental health sitting in some office in wellington will arbitrarily decide that even tho you have met all the security criteria and then some and you are fit and proper law abiding , he will with a stroke of a pen remove your firearms.... under the threat of "if you dont comply we will temporarily suspend your licence" now dont be fooled when they say this when you speak to an arms officer they will tell you temorary suspension ALWAYS leads to revokation. bear in mind this is all done over the phone (by glorified telemarketers) if you ask for it in writing or ask for the name of the guy making the decision you will be told "not until you agree to comply then we will send something in writing" and when that written copy arrives they will have added a whole lot more restrictions you hadnt agreed to

After reading the Ops post, right you are.

If the person who they are concerned about does not have access to the firearms and they are stored securely, then while it may warrant a discussion with the LFAO to be mindful of their situation and perhaps pay more attention to securty rather than trust the person wont try, then I dont have an issue with it. Also if someone in my household was having issues that needed assistance I would look to store my firearms offsite anyway without having to be asked. If Plod then visits and states they dont want firearms onsite the response is - Yup- Already stored elsewhere. All good, nothing to see here, move along now.....

If you pre empt being asked these things and err on the side of caution, when they get stroppy they lose all their ammo so to speak and they no longer have an argument to present...