Home invasion

Worth a read.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/piopio.../?ref=readmore

And guess who is in court :wtfsmilie::ORLY:

The original Stuff article this morning made the victims (house owner and son) sound like torturous psychos, it was later edited once more evidence had come to light, later in the day of trial.
Totally deserved what happened to them.

If you break into someones house and attack them. All bets are off, you are fair game.

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Originally Posted by Got-ya

If you break into someones house and attack them. All bets are off, you are fair game.

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In the USA....in NZ you would have to prove self-defense.

Unbelievable.

Sounds like he still had a knife on him and accidently cut his finger.
Will be interesting to hear the outcome.

Wow, A lot different than the original article this morning

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Originally Posted by McNotty

The original Stuff article this morning made the victims (house owner and son) sound like torturous psychos, it was later edited once more evidence had come to light, later in the day of trial.
Totally deserved what happened to them.

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Quite correct. Stuff's write up last night made the victims sound like psychos. Now today we have the little shit stating he was going to do them in. FFS Breaking in to the same house 3 times! Twice in a week.
If this piece of shit does not get to do jail time the entire system is completely fucked.

I can hear them in Texas right now- "Nothing a bullet wouldn't fix"

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Originally Posted by 6x47

I can hear them in Texas right now- "Nothing a bullet wouldn't fix"

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It's safer to say Texas than 'many of the members of this forum'.

IF anyone wants to see how little regard the media have for the facts when reporting, read the story published by stuff on this court case. No regard for the facts, sensationalised headlines, totally in favour of the burglar. It shows how little regard they have for the truth.
I read the stuff report and it made the farmer and his son out to be real headcases, but it was hard to understand if they had acted as reported by stuff why they would have called the Police, so it didn't read true.
Another example of how sensationalised reporting is used to discredit one party over another, whip up the online judgement and vitriol, only to find that when the truth and facts are exposed the actual incident is much different.

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Originally Posted by gmm

IF anyone wants to see how little regard the media have for the facts when reporting, read the story published by stuff on this court case. No regard for the facts, sensationalised headlines, totally in favour of the burglar. It shows how little regard they have for the truth.
I read the stuff report and it made the farmer and his son out to be real headcases, but it was hard to understand if they had acted as reported by stuff why they would have called the Police, so it didn't read true.
Another example of how sensationalised reporting is used to discredit one party over another, whip up the online judgement and vitriol, only to find that when the truth and facts are exposed the actual incident is much different.

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Most of the mainstream media don't care at all about reporting basic balanced information. They seem to behave more like activists than journalists. And there is nothing that really encourages them to NOT behave like a bunch of activists reporting sensationalist biased news with catchy headlines to make people feel strong emotions. Get clicks make money. I always end up thinking back to the fairly recent incident of mass reporting of fake news with a very obvious bias is this
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/...ent-smile.html
I can't believe that page is still up.

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Originally Posted by Hermitage

It's safer to say Texas than 'many of the members of this forum'.

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No thanks

It’s actually really troubling what that young guy said in court. Pretty sure there’s some very serious mental issues there. Zero remorse and horrific intentions.

I have dogs to safely account for this kind of BS

Fair enough but many people don't want aggressive dogs simply to deal with this problem, and more importantly, shouldn't have to consider that option.

It does seem that every time the victim apprehends the criminal the Police charge the victim. Some would consider that it is best to just deal with the situation and not ph Police

35 years ago i installed alarm system in houses for people for when people went on holiday
25 years ago i installed alarms systems for people going out to the shops for an hou
10 years ago it was for people going out for 10 minutes to pick up the kids from school
now its for people who want them for while they are at home, they barricade themselves to a bedroom/ensuite and alarm the rest at night

and yet the crime rate has dropped? yeah right

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Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

You might be surprised how handy the good old family Labrador is in situations like this.

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issue is if some scumbag breaks in, and a bloody bichon bites them then the dog will get put down!
home defence rules need to be put down in black and white not airy fairy " fair and reasonable force" which is open to the interpretation of judge of the day in the court.

ok: most of us have knocked on the wrong house door in the evening, and getting beaten to a pulp/shot etc is completely ridiculous.
some of us may have had the emergency urinary relief on the side of the road, dont expect a beating etc either
but if you have physically broken into a house or business, especially knowing that there are people inside including children then god help ya from what happens

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You might be surprised how handy the good old family Labrador is in situations like this.

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Dogs can definitely sense a situation like that, I’m sure there are plenty of people around that have been surprised by what they thought was their harmless family dog, when it arcs up in a dangerous situation. 0 - 100 real quick

as a victim in NZ you are allowed to use "reasonable and proportionate force" in self defense. "Proportionate" is balanced against the level of threat or violence perceived by the victim. The perp admits he's lying on the floor holding a knife and intends to kill the farmer if he gets the chance. Surprised it was only a finger that cut. Hopefully the court/judge has a brain and some morals.
Original reporting by Stuff was truly awful, and flat out wrong (libelous) . They should be on trial as well. Media behaviour wont change unless there are consequences.

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Originally Posted by 6x47

Fair enough but many people don't want aggressive dogs simply to deal with this problem, and more importantly, shouldn't have to consider that option.

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assess the risk for yourself I guess

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Originally Posted by chainsaw

as a victim in NZ you are allowed to use "reasonable and proportionate force" in self defense. "Proportionate" is balanced against the level of threat or violence perceived by the victim. The perp admits he's lying on the floor holding a knife and intends to kill the farmer if he gets the chance. Surprised it was only a finger that cut. Hopefully the court/judge has a brain and some morals.
Original reporting by Stuff was truly awful, and flat out wrong (libelous) . They should be on trial as well. Media behaviour wont change unless there are consequences.

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When you fly the Donald Trump supporters flag on your farm the chance of anything positive towards you from this media would be less than minimal.

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Originally Posted by 6x47

Fair enough but many people don't want aggressive dogs simply to deal with this problem, and more importantly, shouldn't have to consider that option.

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I agree that you shouldn't have to consider that option but I'd like to add that the dog doesn't have to be at all aggressive. They make superb early warning systems, as the people saved from fire by their pet will testify.
Dog alerts family to fire | Ashburton Courier

Also, many guarding dogs aren't aggressive per se and are also family pets.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300...d-teen-burglar


It appears these 'good citizens' intentionally cut the burglars finger off as part of 'rough justice'

If so, its clear you can't do that without being prosecuted IMO.

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Originally Posted by 7mmwsm

Don't forget they beat the f... out of Bill before he got the better of them. He is lucky to be alive.

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In the eyes of the law the fact that they 'beat the fuck out of him' is irrelevant. What they will focus on is what Bill and his son did to them, and at the time that they did it to them what the offender / victim was doing. ie you cant cut his finger off when he is lying on the ground and is no threat to you presently.

I agree. He is a bad little bastard and probably needs a beating administered to him.

They have no sympathy from me, but the law isn't interested in right or wrong or sympathy. Its only interested in what the law states and case law. If they get convicted they may get some credit for what has occurred that night, but they probably going to get smashed.

That seems to be happens to good people when things go bad.

Bad aye. All this does is encourages people to take things into their own hands and not tell the Police.

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Originally Posted by Longrun

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300...d-teen-burglar


It appears these 'good citizens' intentionally cut the burglars finger off as part of 'rough justice'

If so, its clear you can't do that without being prosecuted IMO.

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That also depends on what religion you belong to as wall . Some Eastern and South East Asian religions have got that part dead right .

A quick thrashing with a hockey stick about the body in 'self defense' would suffice.

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Originally Posted by HILLBILLYHUNTERS

That also depends on what religion you belong to as wall . Some Eastern and South East Asian religions have got that part dead right .

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maybe you should go and live in these countries?

"Everyone please don't try to defend yourself when someone invades your home and attacks you and your family. We need to ensure the rights and wellbeing of the offender are fully protected."

If the law doesn't give criminals what they deserve, then members of the public will be forced to take the law in their own hands. To be honest I'm very disappointed that only a finger was cut off.

If you defend yourself by cutting someone's finger off while they present no threat then you'll be prosecuted.

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Originally Posted by Longrun

If you defend yourself by cutting someone's finger off while they present no threat then you'll be prosecuted.

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I imagine the crim cut his own finger when laying on the knife. It's his balls that really needed removed

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Originally Posted by Longrun

If you defend yourself by cutting someone's finger off while they present no threat then you'll be prosecuted.

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While they posses a knife with intent?

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Originally Posted by Moa Hunter

I imagine the crim cut his own finger when laying on the knife. It's his balls that really needed removed

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My thoughts too.


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Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

While they posses a knife with intent?

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while they are already beaten and incapacitated.

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Originally Posted by Longrun

while they are already beaten and incapacitated.

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Incapacitated would be with both arms broken

Truss him up and ph the Gimp, he's not Marcellas Wallace

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Originally Posted by Longrun

while they are already beaten and incapacitated.

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And deservedly so some might say!

I doubt if any of this would have happened if 9 finger hadn't been on someone else's property trying to fuck them.
Seems like it was more or less self inflicted.
Hope they made 9 finger clean up the mess he apparently made,leaking body fluid in those poor people's house