Thread: Italians and Firearms

It seems in Italy they are having a bad spell of hunters being shot by other hunters. It also sounds from reports they are being shot for dumb shit reasons, sound and movement.
The numbers are staggering 217 killed and 900 injured in the last ten years.

They managed to kill 31 hunters last year. FML how do you combat that. Theres no excuse. Is it training? What type of process is there for licencing? A Weetbix box! And Cahil thinks we have issues.

Enter the animal rights movement.
They are now lobbying their government to ban hunting in light of recent deaths.

You read the articles and make you mind up on the issue.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ken-wild-boar/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-boar-hunters/


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Hmm. The licensing here isn't that strict in my opinion and some of the hunting accidents are just as unbelievable.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=10682703

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Originally Posted by aetchell

Hmm. The licensing here isn't that strict in my opinion and some of the hunting accidents are just as unbelievable.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=10682703

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I disagree,
It’s not purely a licensing issue, it is a hunting issue.
There are plenty of licenced shooters that don’t hunt.

Originally Posted by Moutere

I disagree,
It’s not purely a licensing issue, it is a hunting issue.
There are plenty of licenced shooters that don’t hunt.

Agreed, but it doesn't change the fact that it's very easy to get a licence for a firearm.

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Originally Posted by aetchell

Agreed, but it doesn't change the fact that it's very easy to get a licence for a firearm.

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It’s just a firearms licence, not rocket science.

Originally Posted by Moutere

It’s just a firearms licence, not rocket science.

Rocket science or solid fuel propulsion is not actually very complicated. I know that the term is used as a colloquially to mean complicated and difficult and I intend no offence to @Moutere by challenging it's use. The term is outdated.
I suggest that in its place on this Forum we instead use 'Woman Science'.

Originally Posted by aetchell

Agreed, but it doesn't change the fact that it's very easy to get a licence for a firearm.

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Not necessarily no. If there are criminal convictions on your police record, it becomes difficult. Even if you are a decent person etc these days.

Originally Posted by aetchell

Agreed, but it doesn't change the fact that it's very easy to get a licence for a firearm.

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Only easy if you're deemed a fit and proper person.
If you're deemed a fit and proper person, why wouldn't it be easy?

What's the old saying about stone throwing and glass houses

31 hunters killed in Italy last year That's .05 per 100,000 inhabitants
Guess what NZ's score is .05 per 100,000 inhabitants.

Italy road toll 6.1 per 100,000 inhabitants / 7.3 per 100,000 motor vehicles
NZ road toll 8.5 per 100,000 inhabitants / 12.2 per 100,000 motor vehicles

It is still far more difficult to understand the workings of a woman than it is the workings of a rocket, especially a German woman. Making a woman on the other hand is reasonably simple compared to making an intergalactic whizz bang rocket, all you need is a mans rib.

Originally Posted by spada

Italy road toll 6.1 per 100,000 inhabitants / 7.3 per 100,000 motor vehicles
NZ road toll 8.5 per 100,000 inhabitants / 12.2 per 100,000 motor vehicles

Now that is a shocking statistic!

Originally Posted by spada

What's the old saying about stone throwing and glass houses

31 hunters killed in Italy last year That's .05 per 100,000 inhabitants
Guess what NZ's score is .05 per 100,000 inhabitants.

Italy road toll 6.1 per 100,000 inhabitants / 7.3 per 100,000 motor vehicles
NZ road toll 8.5 per 100,000 inhabitants / 12.2 per 100,000 motor vehicles

That doesn’t take into account how urbanised Italy is compared to NZ, we would have far more hunters, and would drive more KM, per capita.

They do have great motorways, if the slip lanes were longer and didn’t have the bridge collapse I’d rate them as the best in Europe.

Originally Posted by spada

What's the old saying about stone throwing and glass houses

31 hunters killed in Italy last year That's .05 per 100,000 inhabitants
Guess what NZ's score is .05 per 100,000 inhabitants.

Italy road toll 6.1 per 100,000 inhabitants / 7.3 per 100,000 motor vehicles
NZ road toll 8.5 per 100,000 inhabitants / 12.2 per 100,000 motor vehicles

Road toll should really be considered per distance travelled to be meaningful - per population or per car doesn't mean much if the time/distance actually driven is different.

Likewise hunting deaths should be per hunter (or per time spent hunting) rather than total population.

Originally Posted by aetchell

Hmm. The licensing here isn't that strict in my opinion and some of the hunting accidents are just as unbelievable.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/a...ectid=10682703

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I have a fundamental objection to you using the word "accident". They are not.

There are 60 million people in Italy. If there population size was the same as NZ, that would be the equivalent of two deaths in that year. Is that comparable? Otherwise, not to stereotype/generalise, but I have been hunting with Italians (and Greeks), and they were bloody lunatics!