Thread: Mark your guns?

Guns do get stolen in spite of best intents, and serial numbers get filed or ground off.

So, goodbye gun, as even if recovered it won't be reunited with its owner. And no prosecutions for theft.

Do any of you mark your guns in any way for later identification? What would be the best method?

^^ mark mine just like that ^^

Originally Posted by Cordite

Guns do get stolen in spite of best intents, and serial numbers get filed or ground off.

So, goodbye gun, as even if recovered it won't be reunited with its owner. And no prosecutions for theft.

Do any of you mark your guns in any way for later identification? What would be the best method?

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Personally, no. But thats not a dumb idea. One suggestion could be to engrave the serial number somewhere it won't be found or micro dot it like a car. The only issue is the cops will need to know where to look in order to find the serial number / ID marks. Fine if they already associate the firearm with the original owner as you could tell them where you engraved the serial number to verify that it was/ is yours. But if they have no idea whose it is to start with, will they find the markings? And will the thieving prick who stole it find them as well?

There could be some consolation in the fact that the firearm is no longer in the thieving pricks possession, and that you will get paid insurance (assuming you have it covered) but it still sucks the long one regardless, and it would be nice to see the thieving, lowlife shit sucking, piece of crap, oxygen stealing wanker be punished for it, but lets face it, the courts will probably only give them a hug and wipe a wet bus ticket on their hands anyway.

Originally Posted by timattalon

Personally, no. But thats not a dumb idea. One suggestion could be to engrave the serial number somewhere it won't be found or micro dot it like a car. The only issue is the cops will need to know where to look in order to find the serial number / ID marks. Fine if they already associate the firearm with the original owner as you could tell them where you engraved the serial number to verify that it was/ is yours. But if they have no idea whose it is to start with, will they find the markings? And will the thieving prick who stole it find them as well?

There could be some consolation in the fact that the firearm is no longer in the thieving pricks possession, and that you will get paid insurance (assuming you have it covered) but it still sucks the long one regardless, and it would be nice to see the thieving, lowlife shit sucking, piece of crap, oxygen stealing wanker be punished for it, but lets face it, the courts will probably only give them a hug and wipe a wet bus ticket on their hands anyway.

@timattalon

Good point. Problem of standardising hidden serial numbers so cops know where to look for them is... thieves will know too. Other problem is marking may devalue the gun.

Possibly unscrewing butt stock plate and use a juicy UV marker on the end grain, just repeating the serial number. FAL number on rough side of slings, etc.

Again, how far do the cops look? I do suppose confiscated firearms would get some forensic look over, but don't know of course.

Talk to the local Police, we had a "DNA" substance put on computers etc at work. It is unique to our workplace. Pretty sure it came from the Police.

Originally Posted by stug

Talk to the local Police, we had a "DNA" substance put on computers etc at work. It is unique to our workplace. Pretty sure it came from the Police.

What did they watch porn beat off and ejaculate over the screen?

Originally Posted by Paddy79

What did they watch porn beat off and ejaculate over the screen?

Maybe they were just watching master chief & licked the screen

Originally Posted by Paddy79

What did they watch porn beat off and ejaculate over the screen?

@Paddy79

You're soooo baaaad!

Originally Posted by Cordite

@Paddy79

You're soooo baaaad!

well some one has to be , but how else do you get DNA on a screen other than licking it? Now that's not only bad but unhygienic

Not real clued up on law or even English but I thought firearms/weapons used in a crime were generally destroyed like or not?

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Not real clued up on law or even English but I thought firearms/weapons used in a crime were generally destroyed like or not?

Joe Karum was getting the .22 back on behalf of David Bain . Sick F@#K

Originally Posted by veitnamcam

Not real clued up on law or even English but I thought firearms/weapons used in a crime were generally destroyed like or not?

@<u><a href="https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.nz/member.php?u=71" target="_blank">veitnamcam</a></u>

It it's your gun and you use it in a crime, yes, destroyed, or maybe a place in a police museum.

David Bain was cleared of what by implication may have been his father's crime, hence Joe Karam had it back. It was for Joe Karam, not for David Bain, as part of their book rights etc agreement. No doubt to be used for Karam's book.

If a gun is stolen from me and used in a crime, it is still mine. I have a right to have it back once forensics are completed with it and trial over. Its bloody history would be no worse than many service rifles. Think GC Arisaka or that WW1 SMLE. The fact that I had it get stolen out of my possession in to a criminal's hands would bother me more.

I asked local AO re standard police procedures for examining recovered firearms, but no details given beyond that they have procedures.

I assume it would at least include UV light examination.

There are well developed methods for revealing ground off serial numbers, as the imprint of the serial number causes changes in the metal deeper than the letters themselves, and so to grind them off say the barrel you may need to grind deeper than safely allowed for firing the gun - unless you just want an intimidator.

Interesting page on serial number restoration: Serial Number Restoration - ppt video online download

http://slideplayer.com/slide/6020194/

One point is if you apply identifying marks or some such, that if your firearms are taken then you will be notifying the police. When you do this, if you tell them where to look they will know where to look to either find the marks if concealed well enough or to find evidence of the marks removal, increasing the likelihood of getting them back if the police recover them. It certainly wont hurt. Photos of your rifles and the identifying marks is a good idea too.

On that count most can be replaced. Only the ones that cannot be replaced for sentimental or availability / rarity reasons will cause an issue. In most other cases I would expect insurance would cover replacement.

Years back, Police claimed to be able to retrieve serial no's off British bikes, where they had been ground off. I'm pretty sure it only happened if/when, they wanted it to. Criminals back then, quickly learned how to prevent no. recovery. If its a total f-around for them,(Police) I cant see them doing it. If they are recovered close enough to the area they are stolen from, without too much time having passed, I'm sure they can figure it out. I keep bolts etc., well away from from rifles, locked, AND concealed. Often,these muppets even steal incomplete rifles, but at least they wont be able to use mine. There would only be a very limited market for incomplete rifles, and word would quickly get around; that you get the same charges, for a useless piece of wood and steel, as you get for a real (complete) firearm.On a lighter note.. It would be interesting to see the stats on the no. of stolen firearms unrecovered. We could figure-out the risk-factor, based on the birth-rate,with a tricky calculation for the "muppet-rate", to assess saturation-point.... and get cheaper policies

Originally Posted by Cordite

@<u><a href="https://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.nz/members/veitnamcam/" target="_blank">veitnamcam</a></u>

It it's your gun and you use it in a crime, yes, destroyed, or maybe a place in a police museum.

David Bain was cleared of what by implication may have been his father's crime, hence Joe Karam had it back. It was for Joe Karam, not for David Bain, as part of their book rights etc agreement. No doubt to be used for Karam's book.

If a gun is stolen from me and used in a crime, it is still mine. I have a right to have it back once forensics are completed with it and trial over. Its bloody history would be no worse than many service rifles. Think GC Arisaka or that WW1 SMLE. The fact that I had it get stolen out of my possession in to a criminal's hands would bother me more.

I asked local AO re standard police procedures for examining recovered firearms, but no details given beyond that they have procedures.

I assume it would at least include UV light examination.

There are well developed methods for revealing ground off serial numbers, as the imprint of the serial number causes changes in the metal deeper than the letters themselves, and so to grind them off say the barrel you may need to grind deeper than safely allowed for firing the gun - unless you just want an intimidator.

Interesting page on serial number restoration: Serial Number Restoration - ppt video online download

http://slideplayer.com/slide/6020194/

My that computer lady is bloody hard(too slow and frustrating) to listen to!, got the gist of it in a couple of skips threw the vid...coulda been a 30 second vid.