Thread: Media Firearms beat-up continues

@Natatale, I think you're just pissed about the rugby and trolling us.

Natatale,that is a bit hypocrite coming from you.
Being an ex army guy does not make you any better to own a mssa or any other gun actually. Look at all the vet from Iraq and Afghanistan who break a fuse starting by the one who shot Chris Kyle.
And I know a few civilians who could give a lesson or two of shooting to some police/ military personnel with their service gun.

Originally Posted by Natatale

Please get it that military rifles in the hands of civilians without proper training and guidance is a recipe for a mass shooting. May not be today or in a year but it will happen.

Paranoid much?

Originally Posted by Dan88

how does a registry stop mis-use? are the crims going to register their guns?

I'm sorry is the crim going to have a fucking FAL, get a grip.

I'm a bit sick of expats spouting on about how shit the law is in the new country in which they reside.
Maybe you'd feel much safer back in Australia?

Hey I have a right to my say and you have a right to yours, so deal with it !!

Originally Posted by Moutere

I'm a bit sick of expats spouting on about how shit the law is in the new country in which they reside.
Maybe you'd feel much safer back in Australia?

I didn't say it was shit, just that it is relaxed and could do with some fixing. I feel much safer right here thanks !

Originally Posted by Natatale

And tell me what the fuck do you need with a semi auto 7.62, would you use it to stop a charging mob of goats from killing you ???

That's a really dumb scenario. Hunting is a perfectly legitimate use for a semi-auto 7.62. I'm yet to be charged by a goat, but using my SKS on my last outing, I was able to kill 7 out of a mob of 8. I was limited by A-cat magazine capacity. Guess I should've had 7 in the mag AND one up the spout. That's my kind of mass shooting. Might've been able to get 2/8 with a both action if I were lucky.

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I don't think we need your Australian gun laws experience in this country, we ve already seen that They do not work.

Originally Posted by Rushy

February 1997 - Stephen Anderson - history of mental illness.
December 2001 - William Bell - after a night consuming alcohol and drugs.

The firearms are not the problem.

Indeed, the fact does remain that firearms are a tool, and a looney with a firearm is more dangerous than one without. This is somthing that the yanks really dont seem to get.

So you must have an element of control over who recieves the firearms, in a sliding scale for risk level. IMO controling pistol grips and stock tubes are stupid and have no bearing, but controling magazine size does. Putting bans on the look of a weapon,(AR15 vs mini 14 say) is irrelevent and only serves to sooth political pressure, it does nothing to reduce guncrime or the danger of gun crime.
For the most part our laws do a pretty reasonable job, but like everything they aren't perfect.

I think the licencing could be more practicaly based and the bar could be raised a bit higher. I know people who I wouldnt trust with a toaster and they have a FA licence.
I havnt been public land hunting for very long but have allready seen plenty of dumb shit. A few of the euro countries have seperate hunting licences, this whilst it would be a pain in the arse kinda makes sense to me

most shootings are not carried out by people with a FAL, and they will be the only ones who register guns. so how does a registry stop mass shootings?
when NZ had a registry pre 1982 it was shown to have never been used to solve a crime.
Aus and the uk have a registry and gun crime has gone up, canada scraped their registry after a few years and after spending millions on it. why would they scrap it if it worked? oh wait it didnt work

Originally Posted by Natatale

Hey I have a right to my say and you have a right to yours, so deal with it !!

Just edited my weak attempt at sarcasm in reply to your posts.....

I'm getting far more satisfaction watching the RWC for the sixth time.

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Originally Posted by Natatale

Hey no sudden change, I have the background and the experience to use one.
But what I cant believe is that NZ doesn't have a basic fire arms registry, just for starters.
Which just leaves it wide open for mis-use.

Really? What did registration get you in Aussie? The ability for your politicians to confiscate all your semis and pumps and later on handguns over 9mm. Now they are looking at lever actions. And you want that shit here? Who put you up to this thread reply? John Howard?

Originally Posted by Natatale

I didn't say it was shit, just that it is relaxed and could do with some fixing. I feel much safer right here thanks !

You feel safer in a country with more "relaxed" gun laws than Australia, yet you want to change them to your "perfect" Australian laws. Right, that makes sense.

Australian gun laws are a joke. New Zealand has a substantially better vetting system. I held a Firearms Licence in two states (one was a territory actually), and was never interviewed or even had a conversation about my suitability for a license during any of application/re application processes in over 15 years.

Police from New Zealand and Canada both stated before removing the registration in those countries, that no crimes had been solved using them and that they gave a false sense of security to responding Officers.

I can't stand people who move to a country because they don't like the system in their own, and then try and change their new country to emulate the country they left.

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Actually Britan has had a mass shooting since banning semi autos.

He just used a shot gun and .22.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbria_shootings

The English Press said very little about that one. And on average another one will probably happen in the next 5 years.