Thread: Media Firearms beat-up continues

wait and the thread is OFF COURSE AGAIN!!!

Time to buy another six pack and make myself comfortable

For kiwis that do not know, the term "champ" used in Australian military circles is actually one of the lowest insults you can dish out or receive.
Noted.😆



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Glad I was not the only one who picked up that term...

Originally Posted by R93

For kiwis that do not know, the term "champ" used in Australian military circles is actually one of the lowest insults you can dish out or receive.
Noted.😆



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I always thought "Jack c@nt" was the lowest. We used "champ" more as a friendly taunt.

YMMV



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Originally Posted by Koshogi

Just because it is taught in the military doesn't mean it's a good thing.

Agreed but in a theatre of war it probably does make it a necessary thing.

Depending on the tone yes that would be up there.

Anyway @Koshogi, I am still waiting for your "method" to patrolling as we clearly are doing it wrong...

Originally Posted by Shooter

Depending on the tone yes that would be up there.

Anyway @Koshogi, I am still waiting for your "method" to patrolling as we clearly are doing it wrong...

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As I thought. The way we patrol is "horseshit" but the way you patrol is with a clown.

We will continue on as we have, with the "Educated and accepted risk" of patrolling with intent regardless of what is presented within our arcs.

No wonder everyone thinks gun owners are mental

Originally Posted by Shooter

As I thought. The way we patrol is "horseshit" but the way you patrol is with a clown.

We will continue on as we have, with the "Educated and accepted risk" of patrolling with intent regardless of what is presented within our arcs.

What!!! NZ Army doctrine isn't going to change based on the opinion of some random guy on an internet forum? What a load of horseshit!



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I think you guys maybe a little way off thread.

Originally Posted by Sideshow

I think you guys maybe a little way off thread.

(Been dying to use this again).

"No politics or religion" - gosh I wonder why that rule came about

Getting back to the original idea of the thread - I'm curious as to whether this series of media releases will be sustained or will die out - I think that what works is to just smile and wave, provide facts where possible and not engage with the wingnuts - all of this will be forgotten in a few weeks

Originally Posted by 308

"No politics or religion" - gosh I wonder why that rule came about

Getting back to the original idea of the thread - I'm curious as to whether this series of media releases will be sustained or will die out - I think that what works is to just smile and wave, provide facts where possible and not engage with the wingnuts - all of this will be forgotten in a few weeks

You are right of course 308 but it will keep coming around like an orbiting comet.

Indeed Rushy it will come around in the media again, so the thing is to be ready for it.

One thing I have learned is many ppl have an opinion that is not based on data, experimentation, maths, science etc but they just know they are right. The anti-gunners are not an exception (in fact amongst the worst), its purely emotional. So when ever I enter such a discussion of areas that interest me (peak oil, climate change, economics, oh and yes, guns) I try to ensure I have my facts right and know what their arguments are likely to be and have counters to them and provide evidence. So an example when they say NZ's gun laws are too lax and we should be like OZ, I point out that NZ has less homicides per 100,000 than OZ and that stat been declining faster than OZ. Same applies when they say our gun laws should match OZ, my answer is so you want more deaths? When they say the better OZ laws in 1996 dropped the suicide rate by gun, yes it did, but it was dropping anyway and the faster drop it caused lasted 3 years then reverted to the same trend as pre-1996. Did overall suicide rates decline? didnt make a difference ppl just top themselves by other means. Why are our stats better than OZ? probably because the police have a better relationship with the community where there can be problems though I am still trying to get info on that. ie a law change wouldnt have any success.

The last thing we want is nutjobs posting in public saying "you cant take my guns". "you cant make it harder for me to get gun stuff, I am a legit owner" etc. Fess up to our / any weaknesses and fix them, it makes us look good IMHO. While it wont make the emotional insecure feel any better the more rational joe bloggs voter on the street will hopefully look at both sides and decide who looks the bigger wanker, and in our favour. The recent guncity fiasco was a case in point IMHO, I think we could have been way more positive and constructive.

Now I am pretty sure some journalist will try to do something similar again, possibly via TM.