Should the age someone can get a firearms licence be raised? - Opinion - NZ Herald News
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There is absolutely a concerted effort within the media to keep firearm issues (or should I say "issues") at the forefront of public debate. I feel they are clutching at straws now and almost detect a sense of frustration.
It is interesting that the greater weight of opinion is against them in the responses
This is like having a boat spring a leak and you decide to regular engine maintenance that you did 2 weeks ago. Completely useless and just keeping preocupided so you don't have to think about the real problem.
As one great lady has said....
Beauty fades...dumb is forever....
Convert the saying into firearms lingo and you get,...
Raise the age....dumb is forever....
It ain't gonna fix dumb !
I thought that with the win in the rugby over the week end those idiots would be off our back for a few more weeks....
But no:-(
This is the same debate that we had in Oz, before some dick decided to kill 36 people with a semi auto 7.62. Soon made everybody realise that military style semi-auto weapons aren't safe in civilian hands, they were made for War and Killing on mass.
So while America keeps on having mass shootings and we have people killing each other here, then the media will take every advantage to make headlines. We are so lucky with the gun laws that we have, but I think they are too relaxed and require some overhauling.
Age limiting isn't one that needs changing, semi-auto high powered weapons in un-trained would be a good start.
Australia still has regular shootings, their approach has had fuck all impact on gun crime. Regardless of type of firearm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Natatale
So you reckon if we get rid of them, we won't have mass killings, or when we do, the shooter will kill people at a more acceptable rate, with something else?Quote:
Originally Posted by Natatale
I just don't buy into the MSSA's are evil debate. It only takes one crazy person to point one loaded single shot rifle at an individual and pull the trigger for there to be a tragic loss of life. Now ask yourself, how many times could an accomplished handler do that before being overcome. If the crazy can do it multiple times then you have a mass murder. MSSA's or firearms of any kind are not the problem.
I'm sorry when was the last mass shooting ?? Did I miss something, I think it's gone a long way to make Oz a lot safer. There will always be shootings, get rid of guns totally, and the they will stab each other, take knives away they will stone each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moutere
We as humans are bloody dangerous creatures, always have been, and always will be, but limit to what we kill each other with, surely it will help the innocent bystanders from being shot in MASS. !!!
please define a high powered weapon? .50BMG .600 nitro?
Aussie has more gun crime than nz.
When was the last time there was a mass shooting in New Zealand?Quote:
Originally Posted by Natatale
Yeah and there are a few million more Aussies so compare things in the right perspective, and can you quote me the gun death figures for both countries ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan88
And tell me what the fuck do you need with a semi auto 7.62, would you use it to stop a charging mob of goats from killing you ???
There are places for these types of weapons and NZ doesn't really need them !!
In my experience, I'd say there is an agravated shooting most weeks in Sydney alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Natatale
You have quite a pesimistic view of our sport.
TThank you for wanting to sacrifice other peoples firearms privileges because you feel uncomfortable about semi autos. Thankfully you are the minority. You just stated we are lucky to have the laws we have and you advocate giving them away. Sod having laws anywhere like Aussie. Joe Stalin would find them oppressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Natatale
February 1997 6 dead and 4 woundedQuote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
December 2001 3 dead
They may not be on the scale of Port Arthur, but still listed as mass killings.
What do you need with a gun full stop? This is New Zealand. A first world country where normal people can buy meat from the supermarket. You don't need to hunt. What makes you think you should be allowed to own a high powered gun? How do I know you won't try and shoot me with it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Natatale
I don't think these anti fuckwits watch rugby??? Too violent...
So a semi automatic rifle was used in neither of those incidents, and there have been no "mass" shootings in 14 odd years. Yip ban semi autos, we have a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Natatale
Compare Australia
direct comparison of firearm deaths
February 1997 - Stephen Anderson - history of mental illness.
December 2001 - William Bell - after a night consuming alcohol and drugs.
The firearms are not the problem.
Stephen Anderson used a single barrel shotgun hardly a "high powered MSSA"
I guess I'd ban Shotguns cause I can't shoot with one so the just useless to me, I dont have an E cat or a B cat or a C cat or a Dealers licence so all that shit can go! I don't like brunettes much either so they can go, get the message, it's not what we see as useless to us that's the prob. The real cause are the looneys and the Crims that need sorting, but it's easier to blame something that's easier to control. Knives are far more dangerous than firearms and there's no restrictions really. Now farking stones! I just don't want to think about.
Hey I'm Ex-Military and love using firearms, but can you tell me where are there military shooting clubs that can train the novice shooters to use semi auto military type weapons??
Please get it that military rifles in the hands of civilians without proper training and guidance is a recipe for a mass shooting. May not be today or in a year but it will happen.
If you are a member of a military shooting club and want to go out with your mates and have a shooting comp, then I see that a legitimate reason.
Here is a very real possibility, Person 1 obtains a FAL, just "A" class. He goes and buys a SKS and 500 rounds in gun shop A.
Fuck that was cheap and easy so he goes into Gun shop B and does the same. He can do this for every gun shop in NZ if he wants. Now he get together some of his not so friendly to our way's mates and you now you have a recipe for disaster to the innocent.
Ummm... Weren't you looking for an SKS a while ago? Why the sudden change in attitude?Quote:
Originally Posted by Natatale
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@Natatale gotta love them semi auto 7.62's
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Originally Posted by Natatale
I acknowledge that you are trying to make a point, and some concerns, military firearms, civilian hands or not, training or no training...
The outcome would be the same if someone decided to have a bad day with a ruger 10/22.
It's starting to look like the haves and have nots...
Hey no sudden change, I have the background and the experience to use one.Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
But what I cant believe is that NZ doesn't have a basic fire arms registry, just for starters.
Which just leaves it wide open for mis-use.
how does a registry stop mis-use? are the crims going to register their guns?
@Natatale, I think you're just pissed about the rugby and trolling us.
Natatale,that is a bit hypocrite coming from you.
Being an ex army guy does not make you any better to own a mssa or any other gun actually. Look at all the vet from Iraq and Afghanistan who break a fuse starting by the one who shot Chris Kyle.
And I know a few civilians who could give a lesson or two of shooting to some police/ military personnel with their service gun.
Paranoid much?Quote:
Originally Posted by Natatale
I'm sorry is the crim going to have a fucking FAL, get a grip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan88
I'm a bit sick of expats spouting on about how shit the law is in the new country in which they reside.
Maybe you'd feel much safer back in Australia?
Hey I have a right to my say and you have a right to yours, so deal with it !!
I didn't say it was shit, just that it is relaxed and could do with some fixing. I feel much safer right here thanks !Quote:
Originally Posted by Moutere
That's a really dumb scenario. Hunting is a perfectly legitimate use for a semi-auto 7.62. I'm yet to be charged by a goat, but using my SKS on my last outing, I was able to kill 7 out of a mob of 8. I was limited by A-cat magazine capacity. Guess I should've had 7 in the mag AND one up the spout. That's my kind of mass shooting. Might've been able to get 2/8 with a both action if I were lucky.Quote:
Originally Posted by Natatale
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I don't think we need your Australian gun laws experience in this country, we ve already seen that They do not work.
Indeed, the fact does remain that firearms are a tool, and a looney with a firearm is more dangerous than one without. This is somthing that the yanks really dont seem to get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
So you must have an element of control over who recieves the firearms, in a sliding scale for risk level. IMO controling pistol grips and stock tubes are stupid and have no bearing, but controling magazine size does. Putting bans on the look of a weapon,(AR15 vs mini 14 say) is irrelevent and only serves to sooth political pressure, it does nothing to reduce guncrime or the danger of gun crime.
For the most part our laws do a pretty reasonable job, but like everything they aren't perfect.
I think the licencing could be more practicaly based and the bar could be raised a bit higher. I know people who I wouldnt trust with a toaster and they have a FA licence.
I havnt been public land hunting for very long but have allready seen plenty of dumb shit. A few of the euro countries have seperate hunting licences, this whilst it would be a pain in the arse kinda makes sense to me
