Thread: More Pistols and Semi Autos Stolen

Originally Posted by 40mm

nobody thought of the old home invasion caper???
All the security in the world wont keep the petrol soaked owner from opening the safe and gift wrapping the pistols etc before handing them to the gorilla with the machete and lighter in his hand.

No one should ever have to go through that.

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

No one should ever have to go through that.

yup, my thoughts too. but such scum bags exist. if i thought of that one, imagine what other great ideas are getting bounced off the class room walls in the big house...

Just a little cautious paranoia.

a decoy safe with some cheap guns might help. (firing pins gone etc)

For all you know it could just be an insurance job, made to look like stolen when it was just made to disappear. It would not be the first time its happened.
Or it was by some one they knew, wrong person at club visiting followed them home stalked them out. Bingo guns gone. Remember Anything locked can be unlocked.

Originally Posted by Moutere

Realistically any amount of security can eventually be circumvented with enough time, equipment and desire.
We are just more likely to read or hear about it these days when it does happen.

Exactly, the holier than though shit needs to stop.

Given time and knowledge, ANYTHING can be stolen.

Originally Posted by norsk

It would be interesting to see the statistics of the theft of B/C/E catagory firearms in recent years.It would seem that the current level of security is not enough though.

https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/20...a-crime-issue/

essentially 1.4 percent of all arms stolen and 0.8 percent "seized"

the best security device"eyeball mk1"how often do you during the day cast a glance or two at your immediate surroundings wherever you are???youd be bloody suprised at what registers. every time iturn into my street here in greymouth i look.any cars pull up outside i look.when i come inside i pause for a moment and here in my room i do the same.
over home we live in a cul de sac and at least two lots of aspiring burglars had unscheduled appts with police dogs cause eyes were watching.My mrs eyes!
my point -if something seems not quite right take a note of it or if it gonna impact on you or your neighbours do or say something.99%of the time its probably quite OK just people going about their lives but its always that 1%that can bring heartache.
this modern attitude of "its not my business so I wont go" there is a burglars nirvana

That's right you need to be vigilant I vary my route home never go the same way twice in a row, A little paranoid maybe but I have never been
burgled, Don't have any bumper stickers, take note of cars in your rear vision mirrors when nearing home, and I don't leave my car in the driveway
always goes in the garage with door shut.

Originally Posted by shooternz

That's right you need to be vigilant I vary my route home never go the same way twice in a row, A little paranoid maybe but I have never been
burgled, Don't have any bumper stickers, take note of cars in your rear vision mirrors when nearing home, and I don't leave my car in the driveway
always goes in the garage with door shut.

I hear you about the stickers. pretty much asking to be followed home.

Originally Posted by 40mm

Just a little cautious paranoia.
a decoy safe with some cheap guns might help. (firing pins gone etc)

@40mm

Got burgled a number of years ago when on hols. We got off lightly, thieves were (I believe, based on qualified guesswork and a quick mental survey of known candidates in the neighbourhood) a young adult and a kid, but bottom line is they got excited at finding a .177 air rifle and pistol and in carrying this away defocused from looking for other things.

Our money-and-important-papers safe were surrounded by cardboard so looked like a cardboard box at the bottom of ********. Gun safe similarly camouflage to look like junk clutter.

I have often thought of acquiring a couple of old springer air rifles and welding their barrels up (permanent deactivation!) and leaving them on the wall somewhere to be found early. Of course with cheap scopes and silencers. No pellets in sight in case they decide to test them.

Thieves, when they break in and steal, are nervous as heck*. Discovering a couple of cool guns (a) gives them a sense of having found something and an excuse to make it off now, and (b) gives them a logistical challenge that is to your advantage: that cool long gun is awkward to carry off so other items must get left behind - the lovely gun will definitely have to come with!

*Some will be high on drugs to overcome their fear, which is why if you hear an intruder, do NOT sneak up on them. Rather make a racket to ensure no nasty confrontation.

Originally Posted by Cordite

@40mm

Got burgled a number of years ago when on hols. We got off lightly, thieves were (I believe, based on qualified guesswork and a quick mental survey of known candidates in the neighbourhood) a young adult and a kid, but bottom line is they got excited at finding a .177 air rifle and pistol and in carrying this away defocused from looking for other things.

Our money-and-important-papers safe were surrounded by cardboard so looked like a cardboard box at the bottom of ********. Gun safe similarly camouflage to look like junk clutter.

I have often thought of acquiring a couple of old springer air rifles and welding their barrels up (permanent deactivation!) and leaving them on the wall somewhere to be found early. Of course with cheap scopes and silencers. No pellets in sight in case they decide to test them.

Thieves, when they break in and steal, are nervous as heck*. Discovering a couple of cool guns (a) gives them a sense of having found something and an excuse to make it off now, and (b) gives them a logistical challenge that is to your advantage: that cool long gun is awkward to carry off so other items must get left behind - the lovely gun will definitely have to come with!

*Some will be high on drugs to overcome their fear, which is why if you hear an intruder, do NOT sneak up on them. Rather make a racket to ensure no nasty confrontation.

wise words.
id like my safe at the top of the stairs... and set it up so that when it is messed with an alarm sounds and a piano wire at ankle height is pulled up TIGHT just before the first of many steps down.....
or a dummy safe with an angry possume spring loaded inside it. set the safe up at face height!
would be worth having the assholes break in just to watch the security footage! priceless!

Originally Posted by shooternz

That's right you need to be vigilant I vary my route home never go the same way twice in a row, A little paranoid maybe but I have never been
burgled, Don't have any bumper stickers, take note of cars in your rear vision mirrors when nearing home, and I don't leave my car in the driveway
always goes in the garage with door shut.

A little paranoid?

If I ever felt I couldn't drive home the same way twice in a row, I'd be talking to my mental brother in law's doctors.

Originally Posted by systolic

A little paranoid?

If I ever felt I couldn't drive home the same way twice in a row, I'd be talking to my mental brother in law's doctors.

@shooternz and @systolic

Kind of agree, that kind of constant vigilance is just impossible to keep up. Saying that, at select times like on the way home from the range may be worth doing something like checking mirrors. (I'm unlikely to be targeted though, as I opted out of joining the range's Facebook page!) Shooternz's precaution of parking in his garage seems a precaution you can easily keep up, indefinitely and without variation, without paying much attention once it's a habit.

Using the garage to park also solves the BIG PROBLEM of getting long guns in and out of a car during daylight hours without neighbours noticing -- especially on those bright summer evenings. The shitty law which means that I can't discretely wait until dark to transfer the gun into the house does not help. Mornings are however OK: the dodgier my neighbours, the truer Kiwis they are: nocturnal!!!

The no-bumper-stickers advice is good. Actually, it's not just "Hunting and Fishing" type stickers which may be a problem: If you have any particular noticeable sticker (call it "visual distinguishing mark") on your car, it may be spotted by the range and later identified by your house or workplace. Frankly, if you drive any unusual car, whether a classic or one with a characteristic large dent in the driver's door, that's also a screaming loud VDM that makes your car memorable.

I must say I've taken on board shooternz's garage parking idea. But first I must de-clutter. O-:> Until then, anyone got spare Cello case?

Originally Posted by systolic

A little paranoid?

If I ever felt I couldn't drive home the same way twice in a row, I'd be talking to my mental brother in law's doctors.

Everyone's circumstances are different from region to region - Paranoid or not, you don't know what his circumstances are so therefore your (yet again) pointless trolling is invalid. Some towns in NZ have the unfortunate undesirables living in them.

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

Everyone's circumstances are different from region to region - Paranoid or not, you don't know what his circumstances are so therefore your (yet again) pointless trolling is invalid. Some towns in NZ have the unfortunate undesirables living in them.

@Sasquatch,
Like yourself I have noticed that @systolic is capable of being somewhat... harsh / edgy. Room for improvement, yes, but I'd not call it "trolling" as he usually has a valid point to put across. I think we'd all prefer robust debate rather than some guaranteed freedom from ever getting offended.

Originally Posted by systolic

A little paranoid?

If I ever felt I couldn't drive home the same way twice in a row, I'd be talking to my mental brother in law's doctors.

mental brother in law-godalmighty you are so bloody infantile no wonder people on here get a gutsful of you doublequick.
ever pause to think even for a moment how your brother in law may feel reading your scathing comments. thought no youre too far up yourself to consider anyone elses feelings.
varying a route to or from ones residence does not constitute paranoia know all!