Thread: New government will rewrite Arms Act

Originally Posted by bluebaiter222

Enter stage right the all knowing Phillip Alpers

Ha-bloody-ha!

Originally Posted by Maxx

A challenge with shit-canning that is that its an idea that appears to have widespread support .... I suspect there would be surprising support for it even among members of this forum?

Surely you jest?

Originally Posted by grandpamac

I am pleased to see the Ministry of Hunting and Fishing established. It does not matter how many hunters we have in NZ if they don't have a voice it matters little. Many hunters move toward target shooting as they get older, something to be encouraged. It is bums on seats in the shooting and hunting related clubs that gives us a voice. Individuals just don't get heard in the din.
GPM.

I basically agree @grandpamac but fear the influence of Fudds may be to the detriment of other firearm owners.

well I said 25 years ago.....the biggest mistake made when licences were changed from paper booklet to a plastic card..was the non inclusion of a magnetic strip and corosponding machines to register whatever was being purchased.....
SOME have said the technology isnt there for it to work...I call BS on that one.... no different to an itemised shopping list .
it still wont stop grey guns being in circulation....it wont stop straw buying of ammunition....and we KNOW that the pondscum had its ammunition purchase signed off even after it was queried by seller....so I guess we also know it wont solve anything thus its pointless.
round n round n round we go where it stops nobody knows.

Originally Posted by zimmer

So we think we will be better off with the DIA taking over from the police. Just been made aware of this claim...

You only need look at the way the Department of Internal Affairs officials were caught secretly signing up to Three Waters deals even after the election to make it harder for the new Government to unwind Nanaia Mahuta’s policies

Happens roughly every 6 - 12 years in NZ when we pendulum-swing back in the opposite direction from whomever was last in Govt. The only real difference I can see this time was the amount of the swing...

Originally Posted by Finnwolf

I basically agree @grandpamac but fear the influence of Fudds may be to the detriment of other firearm owners.

Greetings @Finnwolf,
I understand that but as a card carrying Fudd myself I need to point out that it is often the card carrying Fudds that are keeping range shooting alive and hence the availability of ranges in general. Many of these chaps, and it is mostly chaps, are in declining health and could do with a bit of help.
Regards Grandpamac.

There is a danger in that the majority of firearms owners now feel rightly that their interests have been legitimised by the coming government and we are " out of the woods" as it were.

The anti gun folks will just see this as a temporary setback in their self righteous quest to solve non existent problems. A huge challenge now is to show that more legislation is not the answer to firearm crime without fully blaming the former government, Police and " Justice system".

There will be a scramble in the two last mentioned entities to keep their jobs and positions if they were formally card carrying members of labour's politburo.

Originally Posted by Finnwolf

I basically agree @grandpamac but fear the influence of Fudds may be to the detriment of other firearm owners.

What's a Fudd in a NZ context? I had to look the term up up, and it seems to have US/2nd Amendment connotations. Is a Fudd someone who willingly gave up their semi-autos, as opposed to those who gave them up grudgingly?

Originally Posted by schwen

What's a Fudd in a NZ context? I had to look the term up up, and it seems to have US/2nd Amendment connotations. Is a Fudd someone who willingly gave up their semi-autos, as opposed to those who gave them up grudgingly?

Many hunters who believe rifles are only for shooting deer and people believe clay bird shooting and smallbore are the only legitimate shooting sports, I am obviously a sacrificial lamb and extremist as an ipsc shooter
Yes I said it

The term Fudd in this context would be the associations/people that openly stated their dislike for some of the firearms getting banned ( the military clones), not realizing it was just the tip of a big wide spear.
One of the worst things the US gun lobbies do is also usually works the best for them.
Never let the anti firearms brigade take an inch as they know they will take another and another till they get rid if everything.
Groups like the NRA have been following this policy since the 70s.
As soon as any firearms group concedes that another's is ok to be banned, then they are a fudd

This clip of Seymour being interviewed by Tame shows where ACT are thinking. Seymour is not anticipating a huge increase in semi auto ownership over the existing P category. This is where a lot of well thought through submissions will be invaluable for wider access for competitive and pest control shooting.

Relevant extract;
https://twitter.com/NZQandA/status/1728583430814810306


Entire interview;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKNv...el=NZQandATVNZ

Originally Posted by Maxx

A challenge with shit-canning that is that its an idea that appears to have widespread support .... I suspect there would be surprising support for it even among members of this forum?

NO

Originally Posted by csmiffy

The term Fudd in this context would be the associations/people that openly stated their dislike for some of the firearms getting banned ( the military clones), not realizing it was just the tip of a big wide spear.
One of the worst things the US gun lobbies do is also usually works the best for them.
Never let the anti firearms brigade take an inch as they know they will take another and another till they get rid if everything.
Groups like the NRA have been following this policy since the 70s.
As soon as any firearms group concedes that another's is ok to be banned, then they are a fudd

I used to think the US was crazy for no being willing to give an inch with regards to 2A but seeing how things played out here, in the UK and in Australia I know completely understand.

Originally Posted by schwen

What's a Fudd in a NZ context? I had to look the term up up, and it seems to have US/2nd Amendment connotations. Is a Fudd someone who willingly gave up their semi-autos, as opposed to those who gave them up grudgingly?

It's hard to fully explain as most of it wound up in American ideas, and a lot of internet jokes/memes. At risk of detouring a good thread see these examples.

Just remember all new governments come in with lots of promises, 100 days plans etc.
Remember the promises made in 2017 and how many were actually delivered by 2023?
I'm happy to be proved wrong of course.