Thread: New government will rewrite Arms Act

Originally Posted by bluebaiter222

Enter stage right the all knowing Phillip Alpers

Ha-bloody-ha!

Originally Posted by kotuku

well the hyenas of the former cabal in the form of TV1 were hard at it tonight with shrill antigun sentiments to wit the question of rewrite of the AA and the range issue. no suprises the re of course.

They are on borrowed time. The gravy train has left the station. They are grieving, and in the denial stage.

What's interesting to the UN argument, is there is no mention of Govt-level supply of arms to militias and the like that end up getting diverted to outfits who use them against other Govt's and the corresponding civilian populations. I'm not sure who is end of line for responsibility for the UN propaganda that they spit out but they really need to take the rose-tinted glasses off and start looking at who and where the 'weapons' get into the countries where they are used like that and what the sources are. I mean, those aren't civilian firearms most of them are of the AK variants and there are a few Colt derivatives and FN designs as well - these things don't magically turn up one morning on the back of a stork with a hallelujah!

It's one of the problems with firearms legislation, dogmatic blind obedience to UN rhetoric just doesn't appear to result in productive, effective control regimes.

So we think we will be better off with the DIA taking over from the police. Just been made aware of this claim...

You only need look at the way the Department of Internal Affairs officials were caught secretly signing up to Three Waters deals even after the election to make it harder for the new Government to unwind Nanaia Mahuta’s policies

Originally Posted by zimmer

So we think we will be better off with the DIA taking over from the police. Just been made aware of this claim...

You only need look at the way the Department of Internal Affairs officials were caught secretly signing up to Three Waters deals even after the election to make it harder for the new Government to unwind Nanaia Mahuta’s policies

Happens roughly every 6 - 12 years in NZ when we pendulum-swing back in the opposite direction from whomever was last in Govt. The only real difference I can see this time was the amount of the swing...

well I said 25 years ago.....the biggest mistake made when licences were changed from paper booklet to a plastic card..was the non inclusion of a magnetic strip and corosponding machines to register whatever was being purchased.....
SOME have said the technology isnt there for it to work...I call BS on that one.... no different to an itemised shopping list .
it still wont stop grey guns being in circulation....it wont stop straw buying of ammunition....and we KNOW that the pondscum had its ammunition purchase signed off even after it was queried by seller....so I guess we also know it wont solve anything thus its pointless.
round n round n round we go where it stops nobody knows.

There is a danger in that the majority of firearms owners now feel rightly that their interests have been legitimised by the coming government and we are " out of the woods" as it were.

The anti gun folks will just see this as a temporary setback in their self righteous quest to solve non existent problems. A huge challenge now is to show that more legislation is not the answer to firearm crime without fully blaming the former government, Police and " Justice system".

There will be a scramble in the two last mentioned entities to keep their jobs and positions if they were formally card carrying members of labour's politburo.

The term Fudd in this context would be the associations/people that openly stated their dislike for some of the firearms getting banned ( the military clones), not realizing it was just the tip of a big wide spear.
One of the worst things the US gun lobbies do is also usually works the best for them.
Never let the anti firearms brigade take an inch as they know they will take another and another till they get rid if everything.
Groups like the NRA have been following this policy since the 70s.
As soon as any firearms group concedes that another's is ok to be banned, then they are a fudd

Originally Posted by csmiffy

The term Fudd in this context would be the associations/people that openly stated their dislike for some of the firearms getting banned ( the military clones), not realizing it was just the tip of a big wide spear.
One of the worst things the US gun lobbies do is also usually works the best for them.
Never let the anti firearms brigade take an inch as they know they will take another and another till they get rid if everything.
Groups like the NRA have been following this policy since the 70s.
As soon as any firearms group concedes that another's is ok to be banned, then they are a fudd

I used to think the US was crazy for no being willing to give an inch with regards to 2A but seeing how things played out here, in the UK and in Australia I know completely understand.

This clip of Seymour being interviewed by Tame shows where ACT are thinking. Seymour is not anticipating a huge increase in semi auto ownership over the existing P category. This is where a lot of well thought through submissions will be invaluable for wider access for competitive and pest control shooting.

Relevant extract;
https://twitter.com/NZQandA/status/1728583430814810306


Entire interview;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKNv...el=NZQandATVNZ

Just remember all new governments come in with lots of promises, 100 days plans etc.
Remember the promises made in 2017 and how many were actually delivered by 2023?
I'm happy to be proved wrong of course.

Quote: I used to think the US was crazy for no being willing to give an inch with regards to 2A but seeing how things played out here, in the UK and in Australia I know completely understand.

Touche!!!!… and the reasons are obvious for most here.When these politicians say ,”I guarantee “…. I say ,there are no guarantees until signed into law as such.

Early days and big promises from the 3 musketeers,ACTs participants in this Firearms debate will be severely tested by the others,they won’t get it all “their” way!!

Originally Posted by A330driver

Quote: I used to think the US was crazy for no being willing to give an inch with regards to 2A but seeing how things played out here, in the UK and in Australia I know completely understand.

Touche!!!!… and the reasons are obvious for most here.When these politicians say ,”I guarantee “…. I say ,there are no guarantees until signed into law as such.

Early days and big promises from the 3 musketeers,ACTs participants in this Firearms debate will be severely tested by the others,they won’t get it all “their” way!!

acts "rise to power" was largely due to their promises and campaigning with regards to firearms. There are a shitton of firearms owners out there. If they do not deliver on this they might as well all retire because they will not be a thing come next election. Act voters are no labour voters with 2 braincells and an attention span of 3 seconds.

Originally Posted by STC

acts "rise to power" was largely due to their promises and campaigning with regards to firearms. There are a shitton of firearms owners out there. If they do not deliver on this they might as well all retire because they will not be a thing come next election. Act voters are no labour voters with 2 braincells and an attention span of 3 seconds.

Interesting.
I think there are estimated 300,000 gun owners in NZ (is that correct?). Act won 246,409 party votes.
If one in ten gun owners voted Act on the basis of gun laws alone (generous I think) that's 30,000 votes.
Without those votes ACT would have still got in with about 8 seats. Plus Seymour's seat gets them in anyway.

Originally Posted by Tahr

Interesting.
I think there are estimated 300,000 gun owners in NZ (is that correct?). Act won 246,409 party votes.
If one in ten gun owners voted Act on the basis of gun laws alone (generous I think) that's 30,000 votes.
Without those votes ACT would have still got in with about 8 seats. Plus Seymour's seat gets them in anyway.

Where did you pluck the one in ten voters from? You would have no idea how many voted for ACT on the basis of gun laws.