Plenty of guys on here were saying nothing would change with ACT being part of the new Govt. Pretty quiet now aren’t they..
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Plenty of guys on here were saying nothing would change with ACT being part of the new Govt. Pretty quiet now aren’t they..
If anyone noticed...I never gave up on ACT, had always backed them here on pollical topics and had spoken with Nicole on her intentions to rewrite the arms act at one of our Wellington Antique and historic arms xmas lunch years ago. A true person of her words. She has worked hard for the firearms community and have not been sitting around yapping bs, she even went back to university to broaden her education specially for this task whilst she was currently working on the act. Those who talk behind her back, you should meet her, if you can get over your sulking to do so.
now that would be entertaining.Quote:
Originally Posted by blip
A simpler and cheaper way would be to just cut all funding. Why would the taxpayer have to pay for blatant propaganda?
If the ranges were so dangerous how come the number of accidents/incidents on ranges is so low? And have been for so long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cyclops
And when you look at those statistics think about the New Zealand roading system and the number of accidents/incidents that happen daily.
It makes me question the standard applied to ranges when they don't build roads to the same standard.
I'd hazard a guess that most range users aren't on third and subsequent etc and therefore the ranges are generally only used by people who have a bit of common sense. Any dropkick can learn to drive a motor vehicle regardless of licensing or registration or even having lawful possession of the vehicle. I am far more concerned about the pissed cu*ts in my town driving then I'll ever be about ad hoc community "ranges" we lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by 19Badger
I will get some of what you wanted from your guys and you will get some of what I wanted from my guys. Its not a tournament.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bush Basher
So far all I have seen is words, actions remain to be seen. The register is not going anywhere in the short term.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bush Basher
If it happens it will be good. Just like the seperation of powers in Government it is necessary for gun rights to be removed from the police who have assumed a role of judge and executioner. The deafening quiet from the author of our current laws shows how she understands how the weather vane of public sentiment changed. Like Key she bolted before she was tossed out.
This is a sign that we can be heard and can move things
This is what I voted for
If we all support the minister who best represents our interests and push back harder against the gun grabbers because they will not go away
Congrats to Nicole and more power to your elbow mate
I’m pretty sure that you were one saying bugger all will change, but then again you also said Labour would be in power for 3 terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
I can see now why your not a gambling man :)
Nicola McKee: Minister for Courts and Associate Minister of Justice (Firearms).Quote:
Originally Posted by mikee
Have a bit of faith mate
@Cyclops…I’d be interested to know if your “Input” has been garnished or requested by anyone within this “new”govt.
Not blowing smoke up your arse,but you seem well versed in this subject,I think most would agree that the road (posts on this subject)you are taking is sound and based on a lot of involvement in the area of gun ranges….emotion is cheap,balanced thinking and ideas not so much
Jeez Mikee it’s only been a day since they got their shit together. Give em a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikee
Ha ha,Quote:
Originally Posted by Rushy
I did a day, is enough is it not? You can do a lot in a day :D
I was merely pointing out until the rules/legislation actually changes its just words on a page.
We all hope it is going to get better for not just our hobby's/interests and in fact the country as a whole, but I am a cynic and words on a page or "snappy TV sound bite" are easy the actual "coming through with actions" is the difficult bit.
I really really hope that we get a good result but I am not getting my hopes up for things to happen in a flash.
When I got the email I felt a huge sense of relief.
Like there maybe some shreds of NZ left for my children to enjoy after all.
:)
Yes, Im surprised, but as you say Ive been wrong before. I expect that the register will prevail - Im hoping it wont - remember that one for 3 years time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bush Basher
Greetings All,
We have mostly had a sleep on yesterdays news so what does it all mean? Here is my 2 cents worth.
Centrefire semi autos. Not even mentioned. I think that these are gone for good. Many forget that National voted unanimously to ban them along with everyone else other than the one ACT MP at the time.
Registration. This has been kicked down the road in the review of cost effectiveness of firearms law. It is hard to see anything other than a report prior to the next election. Parliament is going to be a pretty busy place with all the other promises that have been made so any legislation on this is unlikely before 2027.
Ranges. This is the big one. Repeal of the current Part 6 will need to be replaced with something. Currently Pistol Ranges need to be approved and NRA ranges have, I believe, been self regulated. The Range Manual is likely to remain as a means of compliance for range safety as were previous range manuals issued by MSC and later police and the responsibility for their safety will rest solely with those that operate or use them. Watch this space.
Regards Grandpamac.
Some actors are shifting from:
Labour are going to win, resistance is futile
to
National will win and keep the registry, resistance is futile
to
They have promised to look into it, it will stay, resistance is futile
They will undoubtedly shift to:
Labour will re-introduce it after next election, resistance is futile.
I am very glad that their efforts have not succeded in deterring a large majority of the hunting and shooting community from exercising their right to vote for change.
I would be very surprised if we would not see the right steps to changes coming very soon. If ACT fail to deliver on that one within the next three years they will lose a shitton of votes. They are not leftist morons, they know and understand that. Just like winnie knows that he needs to deliver the things he promised, which I am also looking forward to by the way.
But those that either have mal intent in mind or believe they can outcomply socialist bs will continue to claim its going to stay. Facts do not matter to ideologues. Lets prove them wrong.
The Section 6 rules for ranges were an interesting beast - some smaller outfits that had been around a long time but running on the smell of an oily rag probably could have really benefited from a review of their operations, but a lot of the larger and newer setups were forced into a complete wholesale rewrite of their documentation which was arguably already compliant and meeting the requirements. This was simply because it wasn't in the new proscribed format - re-writing everything to put it into the new required format and shifting were things were recorded took a hell of a time for some outfits which was literally just a waste of (voluntary) labour hours and didn't achieve anything for safety on the operation of the facility.
I'm hoping that brains prevail and commonsense means that a rubber stamp approach (what works at the sampled facility used as the template for the paperwork will work everywhere) will get kicked to touch and provided the requirements are met outfits can do what works for them...
I am not usually one to comment on political based items but have felt for a long time (years) that there has been a relentless campaign waged against the firearm community, both private and commercial. From tying up couriers, making ranges hard to operate, introducing over complicated procedures for licensing (dealers get a 46 page document to complete EVERY year - think about that next time you question your gunsmiths or suppliers bill) and a vast array of other items that I am sure you are aware of.
It has seemed that almost every week there has been some other hurdle to have to comply with just to go about your lawful business.
Anyway, today I woke to a brighter future and a real hope that in some small way it appears that things will actually get a little better for a change.
Have a good weekend all.
Darren
Just words at this this stage yes, but as the govt is yet to be sworn in words are all that is possible. This is as good as it could be, theses are good words. Today is a good day.
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Originally Posted by grandpamac
This was always going to be a contentious issue and one that ACT made very clear any possible changes would only occur after serious public consultation and open minded hearings. ACT has made the point that semi auto centrefires have been available for pest control and for collectors anyway so there would not be much change under their proposals, this is an indication of where their thoughts are. So I agree wide access to semi autos is unlikely but what eventually happens will depend on how good a rational argument we shooters can put up at the consultation, submission and select committee stages. A strong united voice with rational arguments might lead to surprising changes. OTOH I suspect that too many people suggesting US style 2A and self defence rules might not help our case!
Write to Nicole and show you support her. She is very good to deal with and one of the few mps that will actually get back to you. That alone speaks volumes..
Actually a damn good point, many take the trouble to write to complain, no so may take the trouble to write to say thanks. Do you have an email address or postal address that you could share.Quote:
Originally Posted by blip
When I was a child I thought fairytales began with "once upon a time..." . Now, a couple of years on, I've realized that they really begin with "if I am elected...".
I'd be delighted to be proven wrong.
You’re right, I’ve had a reply back from Nicole. We are lucky to have her on our side.Quote:
Originally Posted by blip
Ill try and pm it. Not sure if its the right thing to do putting it on forum unless mods think its ok?
My cautious optimism over the announcements re firearms legislation is tempered by my cynical pessimism that it was announced by politicians......
I will say this however, removing the police from firearms licensing may be the best part of the coalition agreement and having Nicole in a position to drive change may result in common sense workable legislation.
You can get in touch on ACTs website
https://www.act.org.nz/contact_nicole_mckee
Interesting to see how it all plays out after the dust settles. I do welcome any review or rewrite of the Arms Act.
However, without sounding too pessimistic, I think we can observe some interesting trends within our parliament.
By my count we have 28 ministers, two undersecretaries, and 76 portfolios. This is actually up from 68 in 2017. For parties that campaigned against governmental bloat this is a notable increase and signals the level 'ministerial creep' within government in a broader sense. Increasingly we have ministers for X that don't map onto actual ministries, and therefore lack real levers of power to instigate change.
Not saying this is the case with firearms law reform but more generally I think we should be cautious when a new government comes in with a pile of feel-good ministerial titles as a result of prolonged negotiations. I would like to see a more lean and effective government with a serious work program.
It is good to have an active minister however and as everyone has said engaging them directly is a good idea. After all they all work for us.
Greetings All,
It has been a fair while since 1969, the first election I voted in. MMP has changed everything. With FPP there was much less policy in the campaign and that not always delivered on. Today there is plenty of policy released by the parties but only that which makes it into the coalition agreement becomes Government Policy. This is what has happened over recent weeks. Some that have posted above may be oblivious to this. Hanging out for an end to firearms registration could be a long wait and an even longer one for the return of centrefire semi autos. The words until hell freezes over spring to mind.
Regards Grandpamac.
It’s a good day for our sport, removing it from the Police is fantastic, certain hierarchy in there have constantly demonstrated their disdain towards lawful FAL holders and used us as scapegoats for their mistakes. Dialling back the range requirements will help smaller clubs to continue, one of the reasons we run public nights for non members is so folk don’t go to the local river, etc to find a spot to sight there rifle in.
Also if a friendly farmer wants to allow a bunch of Forum members to use a paddock to have Gong session it should be able to be done legally using common sense.
Hopefully with it going to Justice they can tie it in with some heftier sentencing for gun crime, throw prohibition orders at the gangs and things will be looking a bit more sensible all round. I have no doubt that Nicole will do a good job for us.
this is good to hear so early on from act and that it was a main priority in negotiations for them.I to feel real good about giving them my vote and actually feel they do care about us gun owners.All they need to do to get the general public on side with this is to say they are going to come down hard like sledge hammer hard on illegal fire arms owners ie gangs and that they are going to actively hunt them down and find the guns.And then ultimately relax the laws again for the law abiding again.
Nicole McKee
I am humbled to be a part of what will be a Government of real change for the next three years. Today I was announced as the incoming Cabinet Minister for Courts and Associate Minister of Justice for firearms reform.
May I extend my heartfelt thanks to those that supported the ACT party by loaning us your party vote last month. My thanks also goes to those that have supported me personally, professionally and also to my family.
We have some really good firearms policy wins that we will be working towards. Some of these are straight away, some will occur over this term of Government - they are:
- Rewrite the Arms Act 1983 to provide for greater protection of public safety and simplify regulatory requirements to improve compliance and pass it through all stages during this term of Parliament.
- Transfer responsibility for the Arms Act 1983, policy and regulation to the Ministry of Justice, and the Firearms Safety Authority, administrator of the Act, to another department such as the Department of Internal Affairs.
- Review whether the Firearms Registry is effectively improving public safety, beginning by June 2024.
- Immediately begin to repeal and replace Part 6 of the Arms Act 1983 relating to clubs and ranges.
Now is the time to roll up the sleeves and start getting this work done.
What a good lady !!! [emoji106]
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While I no longer think the ownership of centre fire semis again is impossible, there is certainly a long road to get there, even if it doesn't happen, which could still very well be the case it's certainly a step In the right direction, with the removal of police from arms act management, and a complete rewrite of the arms act, today is certainly looking to be a much better day for our community than this day last year
I take more from a freshly formed govt announcing policy that I take from any opposition parties seeking your vote by making promises.
This is a good outcome, so far...
An accountable outcome by agreement of all, not just a wish list from 1 of 3..
the math is good..... better than it has been for some time...
but just remember, the master of disaster is one of those 3 - he aint so hot at putting others in front of himself... Winnie always be first...
I think there is a bit of an audit and then purge to be done within the head of the police, the minister of disarmament ( yes it is not talked about but it does exist) and those among the government at the time who helped to shape the current gun law and threw under the bus the shooters and hunters after xchurch events.
Yes,putting Winnie in charge of the media ( finance) for the next 6 months to a year would be an entertaining experience.
I still want to have a modern AR platform, M1, M14....
faith is for the religious not the political .Quote:
Originally Posted by Bush Basher
im supremely hopeful that nicole gets her way we get our way.,
theres just two problems seymour not getting the deputys job straight away and winnies penchent for burning shit down if he dont get his way.
make that three prob;ems
your telling me that the incoming government thats about to hit the public service like a ellesmere chopper cull is goin to set up more of a beaurocracy by cutting the cops out of the firearms authority completely there,by adding more levels peeps and cost to it.
ALSO
[which is why theyre going to have to sooth the cops feelings while quietly sidelineing thier silliest and ineffective components, \Quote:
All they need to do to get the general public on side with this is to say they are going to come down hard like sledge hammer hard on illegal fire arms owners ie gangs and that they are going to actively hunt them down and find the guns.And then ultimately relax the laws again for the law abiding again.
you cant expect cops to target guns from gangs risking life and limb
if you basicly say the cops are the problem in the first place.
maybe nicole could start on doc next