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Originally Posted by bluebaiter222
Surely you jest?:oQuote:
Originally Posted by Maxx
I basically agree @grandpamac but fear the influence of Fudds may be to the detriment of other firearm owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by grandpamac
well I said 25 years ago.....the biggest mistake made when licences were changed from paper booklet to a plastic card..was the non inclusion of a magnetic strip and corosponding machines to register whatever was being purchased.....
SOME have said the technology isnt there for it to work...I call BS on that one.... no different to an itemised shopping list .
it still wont stop grey guns being in circulation....it wont stop straw buying of ammunition....and we KNOW that the pondscum had its ammunition purchase signed off even after it was queried by seller....so I guess we also know it wont solve anything thus its pointless.
round n round n round we go where it stops nobody knows.
Happens roughly every 6 - 12 years in NZ when we pendulum-swing back in the opposite direction from whomever was last in Govt. The only real difference I can see this time was the amount of the swing...Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmer
Greetings @Finnwolf,Quote:
Originally Posted by Finnwolf
I understand that but as a card carrying Fudd myself I need to point out that it is often the card carrying Fudds that are keeping range shooting alive and hence the availability of ranges in general. Many of these chaps, and it is mostly chaps, are in declining health and could do with a bit of help.
Regards Grandpamac.
There is a danger in that the majority of firearms owners now feel rightly that their interests have been legitimised by the coming government and we are " out of the woods" as it were.
The anti gun folks will just see this as a temporary setback in their self righteous quest to solve non existent problems. A huge challenge now is to show that more legislation is not the answer to firearm crime without fully blaming the former government, Police and " Justice system".
There will be a scramble in the two last mentioned entities to keep their jobs and positions if they were formally card carrying members of labour's politburo.
What's a Fudd in a NZ context? I had to look the term up up, and it seems to have US/2nd Amendment connotations. Is a Fudd someone who willingly gave up their semi-autos, as opposed to those who gave them up grudgingly?Quote:
Originally Posted by Finnwolf
Many hunters who believe rifles are only for shooting deer and people believe clay bird shooting and smallbore are the only legitimate shooting sports, I am obviously a sacrificial lamb and extremist as an ipsc shooterQuote:
Originally Posted by schwen
Yes I said it
The term Fudd in this context would be the associations/people that openly stated their dislike for some of the firearms getting banned ( the military clones), not realizing it was just the tip of a big wide spear.
One of the worst things the US gun lobbies do is also usually works the best for them.
Never let the anti firearms brigade take an inch as they know they will take another and another till they get rid if everything.
Groups like the NRA have been following this policy since the 70s.
As soon as any firearms group concedes that another's is ok to be banned, then they are a fudd
This clip of Seymour being interviewed by Tame shows where ACT are thinking. Seymour is not anticipating a huge increase in semi auto ownership over the existing P category. This is where a lot of well thought through submissions will be invaluable for wider access for competitive and pest control shooting.
Relevant extract;
https://twitter.com/NZQandA/status/1728583430814810306
Entire interview;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKNv...el=NZQandATVNZ
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Originally Posted by Maxx
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Originally Posted by csmiffy
I used to think the US was crazy for no being willing to give an inch with regards to 2A but seeing how things played out here, in the UK and in Australia I know completely understand.
It's hard to fully explain as most of it wound up in American ideas, and a lot of internet jokes/memes. At risk of detouring a good thread see these examples.Quote:
Originally Posted by schwen
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Just remember all new governments come in with lots of promises, 100 days plans etc.
Remember the promises made in 2017 and how many were actually delivered by 2023?
I'm happy to be proved wrong of course.
You are not alone brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Howa1500
Quote: I used to think the US was crazy for no being willing to give an inch with regards to 2A but seeing how things played out here, in the UK and in Australia I know completely understand.
Touche!!!!… and the reasons are obvious for most here.When these politicians say ,”I guarantee “…. I say ,there are no guarantees until signed into law as such.
Early days and big promises from the 3 musketeers,ACTs participants in this Firearms debate will be severely tested by the others,they won’t get it all “their” way!!
Greetings,
Fudd is at least associated with the character Elmer Fudd in the Bugs Bunny cartoons. Elmer, a gentleman and gardener of advanced years and dodgy eyesight was at constant war with Bugs, the wascally wabbit and blasting away with his shotgun with little effect.
GPM.
acts "rise to power" was largely due to their promises and campaigning with regards to firearms. There are a shitton of firearms owners out there. If they do not deliver on this they might as well all retire because they will not be a thing come next election. Act voters are no labour voters with 2 braincells and an attention span of 3 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by A330driver
What does being a Fudd mean?
Fudd (plural Fudds) (derogatory) A gun-owner who supports traditional hunting guns but favors gun control for other guns such as handguns or tactical rifles. quotations ▼ (derogatory) A bumbling and ill-educated person. quotations ▼
Well there you are. I must admit some sympathy with the first description with tactical rifles meaning semi auto centrefire rifles. I have made my peace with synthetic stocks but none of my rifles have a stock that be called tactical, so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by A330driver
Regards Grandpamac.
Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by STC
I think there are estimated 300,000 gun owners in NZ (is that correct?). Act won 246,409 party votes.
If one in ten gun owners voted Act on the basis of gun laws alone (generous I think) that's 30,000 votes.
Without those votes ACT would have still got in with about 8 seats. Plus Seymour's seat gets them in anyway.
In regards to the overall premise of this thread, it is worth observing that the party agreements do not guarantee or promise to enact the policies of the others. They have only agreed to PROGRESS the policies (The actual wording if you read the agreement). In politician speak, this leaves considerable wiggle room if any policy priorities begin the process of enactment but do not cross the finish line to completion.
I sincerely hope, like all of you, that ACTs policy priorities are enacted, but I am not dancing in the streets just yet. Steel your resolve my fellows, for the battle is not yet done.
Where did you pluck the one in ten voters from? You would have no idea how many voted for ACT on the basis of gun laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Combining estimates with assumptions (why 1 in 10? why not 1 in 5 or 1 in 2)Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Does not yield in any numbers that have any meaning. You are essentially making stuff up and make it look like "math"
We will have to wait and see what happens.
Because I prefer to be realistic. And was responding to this "acts "rise to power" was largely due to their promises and campaigning with regards to firearms".Quote:
Originally Posted by STC
The fact that I think you are incorrect though should not diminish the enthusiasm for what the coalition might achieve for gun owners.
It's suits his point of view.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bush Basher
I would hazard a guess at 5/10 or higher, if you remove the rural and business owner motivated National voters. In which case it would be a tick for the nats and one for act.
I am surprised by the number of expats who voted Act too, 6 out of 8 Voted Act and the other two voted Green.I think people are just looking for new ideas and new faces as well as a bit sick of the rhetoric we have been fed.
you could say the same about nzfirst.....winny made promises to the firearms community..then reneged....I sincerly hope Nicholle has found tape of him making those promises and has it on repeat playing anytime they meet...Quote:
Originally Posted by STC
Making shit up to suit your opinion has nothing to do with realism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
I remember NZ first having gun ownership in their campaigns as well. There was just no point for them to do that this time which is why they campaigned on other bad legislation, which I am just as happy to see gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
You cant trust Winny.
He marches to the beat of his own drum.
As opposed to trusting other politicians....................
now who is making up shit to suit /fit their argument????
excuses for NZFirsts past BS still doesnt excuse it....
and Norsk I gave party vote to ACT...that was always a given...but candidate vote to National...because that way it wasnt wasted vote..it may or may not have made any difference to the national candidate winning..but would have kicked myself if labour had won seat by 1 vote if I hadnt.
I have never voted for national before..and possibly wont again..but I sure as hell will never vote labour.
Crikey did not know that Winny also uses 50gr TTSX.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micky Duck
@TahrQuote:
Originally Posted by Tahr
Plus van Velden winning the Tamaki seat.
Keep it relevant guys as it’s close to getting shitcanned
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Originally Posted by A330driver
Fixed it for you
73.98% of statistics quoted on the internet are made up by the poster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bush Basher
Including this one.....
A bit of a tangent, but I couldn't resist,official cheese shaman is the most awesome title I have seen on a user for this site. Gold.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spanners
Aaaaaaaaahhhhh!……Not Really……the original Name I had was a little below the belt,so just tried to keep it ..Clean….but hey,appreciate the help!Quote:
Originally Posted by No good names left
My point of view is simply that I do not think that a lot (I said 10% of gun owners as an example) of Acts votes came from gun law specific single issue voters. Mostly people have far broader issues to worry about at the moment. I did not vote Act (I voted Nats) but Im very pleased that Act got in and have these proposed changes in the coalition agreement.Quote:
Originally Posted by norsk
