Thread: New gun security laws

Originally Posted by Savage1

So,

I'll assume your logic is that a C cat can put down a higher rate of fire.

A cat rifles, can only hold 7 rounds unless .22lr. An E is unlimited. Sure you can change magazines in under 5 seconds but that is still a lot of mag changes, four to get 30 rounds out so at least 10 seconds, especially fumbling small 7 round magazines. So the rate of fire is far far higher out of an E cat than an A cat rifle and would take less skill to lay that fire down accurately.

Full auto is very hard to control, so only when you have a crush of people within 25m will it actually be any more deadly, even then it'd be questionable. I'd rather take on an idiot with a full auto than an idiot with an E cat.

E cats are also easier to conceal as you can get folding and telescopic stocks which reduce the length to below 762mm. They can also chuck a bayonet on the front. You can even get an E cat MP5 with only a slightly longer barrel than standard.

There's a reason why most Police and Army rifles have almost all the same features as an E-cat rifle.

To say an E-cat is no more deadly than an A cat is wrong in my opinion, sure it's easy enough to buy large capacity magazines and clip onto an A cat but that's another matter, and it also makes them E cat.

So keep your signature up as long as you want, it just shows a level of arrogance and immaturity.

I'm actually disappointed in myself that I bothered to reply.

i think you mean rimfire not just 22lr.
17hmr, 22 mag etc are still allowed 15 in the mag

Originally Posted by gonetropo

i think you mean rimfire not just 22lr.
17hmr, 22 mag etc are still allowed 15 in the mag

.17 HMR or .17 HM2 are restricted to seven rounds in a semi-auto for A-cat.

15 rounds is for .22 inch rimfire, which would include short, long, long rifle or magnums.

Read section 2 of the Arms Act.

Originally Posted by systolic

.17 HMR or .17 HM2 are restricted to seven rounds in a semi-auto for A-cat.

15 rounds is for .22 inch rimfire, which would include short, long, long rifle or magnums.

Read section 2 of the Arms Act.

law applies to rimfire regardless of caliber. its ok to buy a 22 mag etc with a 10 shot mag

Originally Posted by gonetropo

law applies to rimfire regardless of caliber. its ok to buy a 22 mag etc with a 10 shot mag

@systolic is right that the law (presumably written before .17hmr and .17hm2 existed) specifically refers to 'a magazine designed to hold 0.22-inch rimfire cartridges'. I guess you could argue that a .17hmr magazine is 'designed to hold 0.22-inch rimfire cartridges' though as manufacturers generally use the same magazine for both. Would be interesting to see that one tested in court!

Only applies to semi-autos though of course, bolt/lever/straight pull/pump etc can take as many rounds as you like.