I have a deep hatred for the Police. They have this history of doing whatever they feel like. We cannot rely on police to protect us from the criminals. We ought to get firearms safety training and own a gun for the safety of our family.
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I have a deep hatred for the Police. They have this history of doing whatever they feel like. We cannot rely on police to protect us from the criminals. We ought to get firearms safety training and own a gun for the safety of our family.
You are a complete idiot and I really hope you stay in India or Boston, or wherever you are, and never come to New Zealand.Quote:
Originally Posted by gunnerjacky
Then go to the US because your ideal society awaits youQuote:
Originally Posted by gunnerjacky
Not here, sunshine
We have firearms safety training already and yet hunters shoot each other. Putting firearms in the hands of angry people in a tense situation is fucking stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by gunnerjacky
Where abouts do you live anyway ?
Probably just trolling
Probably??? Whats this Probably business...?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
Actually, it seems by the tone of his posts that he has a very different perspective to firearms ownership and use than we do. For what its worth, our Police are not the ones he does not like. I suspect he does not yet realise what we have down here.....
Perhaps a product of the awesome US education system, not realising other countries in the world have freedom.
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Yeah.. have to admitt some of the safes i've seen arent exactly what i'd call secure..
Given your user name I would assume you have very high security standardsQuote:
Originally Posted by Bunker
gunnerjacky sounds like an ideal person to have access to firearms.
Nothing like self admitted hatred to balance you decisions on.
I hope your kids get far away from you as soon as possible and find a way to undo the rot you have no doubt instilled in their poor minds.
For some reason I picture you and your friends in white hooded robes..............
unfortunately we have here a classic example of the fact that even DNA has shortcomings.Quote:
Originally Posted by gunnerjacky
pal ,wherever you are id suggest you give us a miss and try ultra rightwing /national socialist type forums ,sure they'd adore you.
Actually know a close friend that works at hunting and fishing and have had a similar talk but not everything in your original post is true... I haven't read all 12 pages so forgive me if I'm repeating someone else's answer :thumbsup:
To be short they have stopped stocking "ECAT" safes as new regulations are coming into place where a locksmith and engineer have to provide a cert for the safes now. Nothing has changed regarding ACAT. H&F will still sell you an ECAT safe but they need to order certain pre approved ones from there supplier to stop them from getting in the shit for selling you a supposed ECAT when really it's only an ACAT.
Hope this helps :P
From Otago Arms Officer today
"The report that comes with the safe is sufficient.":thumbsup:
Tauranga AO currently auditing E cat safes doing sight inspections making sure they comply.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skitsokiwi
So I wonder what happens of they decide they don't comply?
Don't know mate both my home builds complyQuote:
Originally Posted by Beavis
According to http://www.police.govt.nz/sites/defa...nts-pol67n.pdf, the minimum lock standard for Strongrooms, Rooms of stout construction, Steel boxes and cabinets, and Safes is a 5-lever Mortice lock complying with BS3621.
Strongrooms, Steel boxes and cabinets, and Safes require 2x locks, while Rooms of stout construction seem to only require 1. That fucks my safe.
From a security perspective, I wonder how a Group 1 combination dial compares to a 5-lever mortice lock.
Buggers me too, my safe only has one digital combo lock with a single key lock backup. It would be interesting to know how many people have the Sentry Safe like me and how the police are going enforce their "new rules"? I was planning on building a "room of stout construction" anyway, but whats to stop them changing their mind on that too?Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
I think basically everybody is fucked.
Yet the last AO I spoke to (last week) said only 3 models had been reapproved, including the Kilwell one. Kilwell Deluxe 10 Gun Safe - E-Cat Key Lock | GD-10K | Kilwell Sports Ltd. Strangely enough, the picture shows it only having ONE lock.Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
I think you may find its locking points that matter.
Let's hope so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taff
Pinched from one of the other forums:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ru4947lssl...safes.pdf?dl=0
Hahaha someone should take that to parliament and cause an uproar :thumbsup: But knowing New Zealand politicians, It would most likely end in stricter gun laws :oh noes:Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
can you advise which forum, if this is legit im printing and keeping a copy.
Pistol NZ has it on their website. Police and Legislation
Very interesting. Worth reading.
Yip that was sent to me a couple days ago via PNZ.
i think as owners we need to be as proactive as reasonably possible.
But it's important that we fully understand the current law so we don't get walked over by overbearing dribblers that somehow gravitate to positions of authority and enforcement...
Should you print the legal advice off? Yes I certainly would.
And laminate it.
And hang it on the wall next to your safe along with the relevant parts of the act.
Needs to be taken to court and let a judge make a decision. Parliament won't hold the police liable, they'll just cover their tracks and make it legal for them to do what they were already doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shahin
Mm very interesting indeed.
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Here is a legal opinion on the crap the police are saying, last part is cat A but it is all interesting reading.
http://www.pistolnz.org.nz/media/119...n_re_safes.pdf
It isnt law a case has to go to court for that for a decision I believe.
