Thread: New gun security laws

Hey guys

Friend of mine recently went into our local h&f to inquire about their e cat safe prices. He was told not to bother as they had received a letter from the police stating that they no longer recognise any of the current e cat safes as approved methods of storage no matter the cert they have and have put a hold on all e and a cat storage checks or something along those lines. The reasoning is that they are going to an approved police engineer that will be the only one able to certify a firearms safe etc and each safe will have to be individually approved not just a model of safe. Apparently due to some safes being approved when really they shouldn't be and the police having no "control" over the certifier.

Anyone else heard anything about this happening?

Not a new "law". If anything a new police policy.

Police policy is not law.

He's/she's going to be one very busy engineer. Only about 20,000 safes to individually inspect (Just noticed you said A cat too, make that 240 odd thousand ).

Good luck to him/her.

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So that's going to open a very very big can of worms. I brought a safe on the proviso that complies it with the regulations and is certified so.NZ Police gonna write me the cheque or replace it with a new one when they change the rules and if so where do I deliver the old one too

Originally Posted by mikee

where do I deliver the old one too

Through Greg O'Connors front door.

I can tell you that's bullshit right from the get go as I have a storage check to do (he called me yesterday to sort a time) from moving house, that means that there's no hold at all.

It would be good to have an update to the current laws especially regarding the A cat regulations way to 1980's and well over due an update

probably bullshit

i had a police check 2 weeks ago , guy looked at the safe , noted its rounded edges (as he stated you cant get sharp edge bends on 6mm or more metal) and was fine for the goodies it held .... i say a misinterpretation from HnF ....

Originally Posted by stumpy

i had a police check 2 weeks ago , guy looked at the safe , noted its rounded edges (as he stated you cant get sharp edge bends on 6mm or more metal) and was fine for the goodies it held .... i say a misinterpretation from HnF ....

if its a "safe" and not a "Steel box or Steel Cabinet" then 6mm steel thickness is NOT required but it appears that all the inspection people and AOs dont seem to understand the regulation, nor is it on security inspection check-sheet (see below) I think its just more "interpretation"

Originally Posted by stumpy

i had a police check 2 weeks ago , guy looked at the safe , noted its rounded edges (as he stated you cant get sharp edge bends on 6mm or more metal) and was fine for the goodies it held .... i say a misinterpretation from HnF ....

You can't get a sharp bend with a poked press brake either, and yes there are quite a few of them out there....

Agreed. Hardly likely

Shit I better get in to H&F tomorrow for a bargin

I had a discussion the other day when I renewed my FAL, one potential source of the rumour is that the AO was telling me once the Chinese cornered the market in E cat safes, they then dropped the quality, so while the door was 6mm and looked good, the bits you couldn't see were only 4mm, or something along those lines

Of more concern to me was him telling me that you aren't allowed to store your bolts in the same safe as the guns, not even the separate locked cabinet at the top as they could just take the whole safe (even though bolted to the wall and concrete floor). I challenged him on the legal requirements and he relented and said it was what they wanted and a recommendation only, but then there's a box they tick on the renewal form which they tick if you've complied or not......

The other "recommendation" to get the box ticked was that you needed to take the forestocks off your shotguns and store them with the bolts in that other safe spot

I've got nothing against good security and I will take on a few of his recommendation, if I don't use my shotty in the off season it's no hassle to be that much safer. But I think some of it may be starting to get a bit far what is legally required

Originally Posted by hillclima

I had a discussion the other day when I renewed my FAL, one potential source of the rumour is that the AO was telling me once the Chinese cornered the market in E cat safes, they then dropped the quality, so while the door was 6mm and looked good, the bits you couldn't see were only 4mm, or something along those lines

Of more concern to me was him telling me that you aren't allowed to store your bolts in the same safe as the guns, not even the separate locked cabinet at the top as they could just take the whole safe (even though bolted to the wall and concrete floor). I challenged him on the legal requirements and he relented and said it was what they wanted and a recommendation only, but then there's a box they tick on the renewal form which they tick if you've complied or not......

The other "recommendation" to get the box ticked was that you needed to take the forestocks off your shotguns and store them with the bolts in that other safe spot

I've got nothing against good security and I will take on a few of his recommendation, if I don't use my shotty in the off season it's no hassle to be that much safer. But I think some of it may be starting to get a bit far what is legally required

shit, it sounds like we are going to need multiple safes and dismantle our guns and scatter between safes, no wait the crim could take all the safes!!!

Hamish

I would say the H&F staff member was spouting BS.

Not that I disagree with a slight upgrade to the minimum requirements, as I understand they were intended to keep guns away from kids and they work well for this(the child death from gun stats are very interesting) but don't do much to stop even a casual burglar who stumbles across guns. Maybe the E standard is unrealistically high to impose on every one but a bike lock around a pipe is a bit low I feel.

Of course nothing can stop a targeted attack.

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