Thread: NEW MSSA law ..?.......

Originally Posted by hanse

I am not however, reading the entire legislation, I will happily leave that up to a lawyer to summarise for me as in the article in NZG&H.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why politicians get away with writing crappy laws and lawyers smile all the way to the bank....

Hanse, can you find me ONE statement by the NZ Police or a government official that has even hinted at the fact that they are interested in bolt action firearms ?

Originally Posted by ebf

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why politicians get away with writing crappy laws and lawyers smile all the way to the bank....

Hanse, can you find me ONE statement by the NZ Police or a government official that has even hinted at the fact that they are interested in bolt action firearms ?

Ummm.... You might not have realised this, but if you were to go back to the original Bill that Police introduced for the latest changes, the wording in that did actually give the ability to classify bolt action firearms as MSSAs. It was only as a result of the submissions in the select committee process that it was changed so that bolt guns weren't able to be declared MSSA.

Originally Posted by scaggly

Ummm.... You might not have realised this, but if you were to go back to the original Bill that Police introduced for the latest changes, the wording in that did actually give the ability to classify bolt action firearms as MSSAs. It was only as a result of the submissions in the select committee process that it was changed so that bolt guns weren't able to be declared MSSA.

Which version and clause Scagly ?

Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Bill 285-1 (2011), Government Bill Contents – New Zealand Legislation

clause 4. interpretation.

Originally Posted by scaggly

Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Bill 285-1 (2011), Government Bill Contents – New Zealand Legislation

clause 4. interpretation.

So a semi 22WMR is allowed to hold 15, but a semi 17HMR can only hold 7.

Originally Posted by GravelBen

So a semi 22WMR is allowed to hold 15, but a semi 17HMR can only hold 7.

No the .17hmr can hold 15 as it is "rimfire of .22 inch or less" as defined in the ammendment. I think the "Less" was ammended more recently than the original wording as I remember hearing someone else mention it when the wording was different.

Originally Posted by GravelBen

So a semi 22WMR is allowed to hold 15, but a semi 17HMR can only hold 7.

You're looking at the wrong version. If you want to know what the final interpretation section defines a semi as, then go look at the version that was enacted.

Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Act 2012 No 117, Public Act Contents – New Zealand Legislation

Edit. And yes, under the final wording, it does look a lot like .17 rimfire can only have a max of 7 rounds in a semi.

Originally Posted by scaggly

You're looking at the wrong version. If you want to know what the final interpretation section defines a semi as, then go look at the version that was enacted.

Arms (Military Style Semi-automatic Firearms and Import Controls) Amendment Act 2012 No 117, Public Act Contents – New Zealand Legislation

Edit. And yes, under the final wording, it does look a lot like .17 rimfire can only have a max of 7 rounds in a semi.

Yes GB looks like you are correct. The Act only states .22 rimfire. The smaller rimfire round is lumped with centrefire. Crazy laws that do nothing for safety.

Originally Posted by scaggly

Ummm.... You might not have realised this, but if you were to go back to the original Bill that Police introduced for the latest changes, the wording in that did actually give the ability to classify bolt action firearms as MSSAs. It was only as a result of the submissions in the select committee process that it was changed so that bolt guns weren't able to be declared MSSA.

This is true, originally the Police did try to put through the ability to classify any firearm a MSSA. Thanks to a few who stood up to this and reasoned with the select committee this was changed back to semi only. One of the main contributors in getting the original wording changed was the NSA.
Imagine the uproar if bolties required an E cat!

I find it very amusing that a bolt action could ever be considered a Military Style SEMI Automatic by our Police Force.