Thread: New Updated Arms Code 2017

Well I don't use Paypal any more as there anti so I'd also do the same for a store that did not support my way of life!
HNTMAD what exactly do you see is wrong here?
Do you not agree that the firearms licensing system in NZ is trying to be hijacked by the department that is only ment to issue license!
Not make the law!
Ryan some interesting information that you dug up there on when it was made/designed?
They seem to forget that we can use a computer too......lucky us
What is just as annoying is tax payers still paid for that
Outdoorlad just read that see the line at the bottom they now want us to destroy the booklet him getting rid of evidence ah veitnamcam hold onto that booklet it's evidence

Originally Posted by Sideshow

Well I don't use Paypal any more as there anti so I'd also do the same for a store that did not support my way of life!
HNTMAD what exactly do you see is wrong here?
Do you not agree that the firearms licensing system in NZ is trying to be hijacked by the department that is only ment to issue license!
Not make the law!
Ryan some interesting information that you dug up there on when it was made/designed?
They seem to forget that we can use a computer too......lucky us
What is just as annoying is tax payers still paid for that
Outdoorlad just read that see the line at the bottom they now want us to destroy the booklet him getting rid of evidence ah veitnamcam hold onto that booklet it's evidence

Just because a store has no opinion doesnt mean they dont, maybe their policy is not to comment therefore be seen as the H&F's stand point. You see when someone in any job that is part of a company unless they own it themselves are caught in a rock and a hard place as anything they say can be deemed as "company line" when it is personal comment. Just seems odd that Stretch spoke to a member of the H&F team and now dont shop H&F, or will they stop and ask each member of that branch their political viewpoint before moving to the next gun shop??

H

Originally Posted by HNTMAD

Just because a store has no opinion doesnt mean they dont, maybe their policy is not to comment therefore be seen as the H&F's stand point. You see when someone in any job that is part of a company unless they own it themselves are caught in a rock and a hard place as anything they say can be deemed as "company line" when it is personal comment. Just seems odd that Stretch spoke to a member of the H&F team and now dont shop H&F, or will they stop and ask each member of that branch their political viewpoint before moving to the next gun shop??

H

My opinion is based on someone asking H&F head office for their position, an getting an apolitical/abstaining reply. Not me personally speaking to one pleb in one store and judging the entire chain on that.

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Originally Posted by stretch

My opinion is based on someone asking H&F head office for their position, an getting an apolitical/abstaining reply. Not me personally speaking to one pleb in one store and judging the entire chain on that.

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So you or "someone" will be ringing head office of all the "hunting" stores to get their political view, and should they all come up with the same, what then. I would imagine if any of them were interested then they would have voiced that already??? Maybe none want to be involved in case it hurts business?? Interesting that this is also formed on a 3rd hand conversation as opposed to horses mouth, but each to their own

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Originally Posted by HNTMAD

So you or "someone" will be ringing head office of all the "hunting" stores to get their political view, and should they all come up with the same, what then. I would imagine if any of them were interested then they would have voiced that already??? Maybe none want to be involved in case it hurts business?? Interesting that this is also formed on a 3rd hand conversation as opposed to horses mouth, but each to their own

H

I was privy to the email reply, so not really hearsay. I've identified a few dealers that ARE actively fighting for the future of our hobby, so no, I don't intend to canvas every other dealer.

Originally Posted by HNTMAD

So you or "someone" will be ringing head office of all the "hunting" stores to get their political view, and should they all come up with the same, what then. I would imagine if any of them were interested then they would have voiced that already??? Maybe none want to be involved in case it hurts business?? Interesting that this is also formed on a 3rd hand conversation as opposed to horses mouth, but each to their own

H

A lot of these businesses such as H&F rely on a broad customer base and they wont comment either way as while they may lobby or have views as a company, they may not want to alienate customers who do not share those views. A lot of fisher folk dont hunt have have quite different views on hunting issues and with a lot of outdoor camping gear, a lot of trampers and campers have views that may not match a hunters or firearms owners outlook. We have to understand, that hwile there a re a lot of us, there are others as well and these large companies will need to be diplomatic if they want to keep a large customer base.

Just playing devils advocate here. I can see reasons why a company would not publish its views even though it will likely take steps behind the scenes to support those that do.

Video metaphor for the Police handling of the Arms Code update. Backpedalling included.

https://youtu.be/lAfZ1N56qjY

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Originally Posted by stretch

Video metaphor for the Police handling of the Arms Code update. Backpedalling included.

https://youtu.be/lAfZ1N56qjY

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Are they now handing out caravans our is that a firearm?

I am sure they knew very well what they were doing when printing these.

Some people just refuse to see what's right in front of them. They'll deny it no matter the evidence of this crap.


The police got caught lying and FOUNZ exposed that and the minister saw it and pulled it and the police lied again to try cover their tracks.

Originally Posted by Jexla

Some people just refuse to see what's right in front of them. They'll deny it no matter the evidence of this crap.


The police got caught lying and FOUNZ exposed that and the minister saw it and pulled it and the police lied again to try cover their tracks.

Once a pack of liars, always a pack of liars. Interesting to note that NZPA and PNHQ were totally working together on this. Having the PA say one thing and then claim it's just the view of the PA, not police in general is one thing. If they are happy with Cahill lying through his teeth (which they clearly are, as they're hand in hand here), then I'm sorry that makes PNHQ a pack of lying bastards too. Crooked lying bastards that are our police force. Just awesome.

Originally Posted by Tommy

Once a pack of liars, always a pack of liars. Interesting to note that NZPA and PNHQ were totally working together on this. Having the PA say one thing and then claim it's just the view of the PA, not police in general is one thing. If they are happy with Cahill lying through his teeth (which they clearly are, as they're hand in hand here), then I'm sorry that makes PNHQ a pack of lying bastards too. Crooked lying bastards that are our police force. Just awesome.

Exactly, PNHQ have never refuted any of cahils statements. They agree with his intent and dont care how they get there. Ill make a point of not helping the plod if they need it. Sorry officer, didnt see which way the man went.

[QUOTE=Danger Mouse;597240]Exactly, PNHQ have never refuted any of cahils statements. They agree with his intent and dont care how they get there. Ill make a point of not helping the plod if they need it. Sorry officer, didnt see which way the man went.[/QUOTE]

That's not very helpful to the rest of us either though, which is in essence why they are doing it in the first place.

Originally Posted by Gibo

That's not very helpful to the rest of us either though, which is in essence why they are doing it in the first place.

The thin blue front line also have to put up with PNHQ directives. Same with management in any sector, private or public. Definitely look after the guys.

Originally Posted by Gibo

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

Ill make a point of not helping the plod if they need it. Sorry officer, didnt see which way the man went.

That's not very helpful to the rest of us either though, which is in essence why they are doing it in the first place.

And knowing a few police officers personally, from the conversations I've had with them on topics like this they seem to agree with most of us and be just as frustrated with the bureaucrats.