Thread: New Updated Arms Code 2017

Originally Posted by Sasquatch

I couldn't pinch one off you? ;-) They seemed to have all vanished, I tried another police station on route to a job and no luck...

I down loaded a soft copy of the police website last week, if any one wants one

Originally Posted by Jexla

You're right, my bad.

It's mentioned in the arms code, which we know is not law.

Section 8.17 Deactivated Firearms:

1. Under United Kingdom legislation, firearms that have been deactivated to Government specifications and certified by a Proof House do not require the owner to possess a firearms certificate for the firearm.
2. NZ Law does not recognise the status of “deactivated”, on the basis that some of these “deactivated” firearms can be converted to live firing status by a competent machinist in a relatively short time.
3. The only situation where a firearm has been accepted as “deactivated” in New Zealand is where it has been sectionalised from end to end.

Still stupid though, where would you even get ammo for it?

Wonder if it could qualify as an 'antique firearm' under the Arms Act?

Originally Posted by arms act

Nothing in section 20 or section 21 makes it an offence for any person to be in possession of—
(a)any firearm of the kind known as:
(i)a bolt gun or a stud gun:
(ii)a humane killer:
(iii)a tranquilliser gun:
(iv)a stock marking pistol:
(v)an underwater spear gun:
(vi)a flare pistol:
(vii)a deer net gun:
(viii)a pistol that is part of rocket or line throwing equipment:
(ix)a miniature cannon; or
(b)any antique firearm; or
(c)any other make, type, or manufacture of firearm exempted from the provisions of section 20 or section 21 by regulations made under this Act.

Originally Posted by arms act

antique firearm means—
(a) any firearm that—
(i) is held in the possession of any person solely as an antique (but not as a copy or replica of an antique); and
(ii) is not designed for firing, and is not capable of firing, rimfire or centrefire cartridge ammunition; or
(b)any firearm declared by regulations made under this Act to be an antique firearm for the purposes of this Act

Originally Posted by Jexla

Sorry I need to keep them. We uploaded a digital copy here: https://www.docdroid.net/aRDYhK7/nzp...code4.pdf.html

No worries cheers

Originally Posted by Jexla

Sorry I need to keep them. We uploaded a digital copy here: https://www.docdroid.net/aRDYhK7/nzp...code4.pdf.html

Thanks Jexla, good stuff!

From the World Health Organization
The latest Murder Statistics for the world:
Murders per 100,000 citizens per year.

Honduras 91.6 (WOW!!)
El Salvador 69.2
Cote d'Ivoire 56.9
Jamaica 52.2
Venezuela 45.1
Belize 41.4
US Virgin Islands 39.2
Guatemala 38.5
Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2
Zambia 38.0
Uganda 36.3
Malawi 36.0
Lesotho 35.2
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
Colombia 33.4
South Africa 31.8
Congo 30.8
Central African Republic 29.3
Bahamas 27.4
Puerto Rico 26.2
Saint Lucia 25.2
Dominican Republic 25.0
Tanzania 24.5
Sudan 24.2
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
Ethiopia 22.5
Guinea 22.5
Dominica 22.1
Burundi 21.7
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
Panama 21.6
Brazil 21.0
Equatorial Guinea 20.7
Guinea-Bissau 20.2
Kenya 20.1(yea Obama!)
Kyrgyzstan 20.1
Cameroon 19.7
Montserrat 19.7
Greenland 19.2
Angola 19.0
Guyana 18.6
Burkina Faso 18.0
Eritrea 17.8
Namibia 17.2
Rwanda 17.1
Mexico 16.9
Chad 15.8
Ghana 15.7
Ecuador 15.2
North Korea 15.2
Benin 15.1
Sierra Leone 14.9
Mauritania 14.7
Botswana 14.5
Zimbabwe 14.3
Gabon 13.8
Nicaragua 13.6
French Guiana 13.3
Papua New Guinea 13.0
Swaziland 12.9
Bermuda 12.3
Comoros 12.2
Nigeria 12.2
Cape Verde 11.6
Grenada 11.5
Paraguay 11.5
Barbados 11.3
Togo 10.9
Gambia 10.8
Peru 10.8
Myanmar 10.2
Russia 10.2
Liberia 10.1
Costa Rica 10.0
Nauru 9.8
Bolivia 8.9
Mozambique 8.8
Kazakhstan 8.8
Senegal 8.7
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
Mongolia 8.7
British Virgin Islands 8.6
Cayman Islands 8.4
Seychelles 8.3
Madagascar 8.1
Indonesia 8.1
Mali 8.0
Pakistan 7.8
Moldova 7.5
Kiribati 7.3
Guadeloupe 7.0
Haiti 6.9
Timor-L'este 6.9
Anguilla 6.8
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
Lithuania 6.6
Uruguay 5.9
Philippines 5.4
Ukraine 5.2
Estonia 5.2
Cuba 5.0
Belarus 4.9
Thailand 4.8
Suriname 4.6
Laos 4.6
Georgia 4.3
Martinique 4.2

And The United States @ 4.0!
ALL 109 of the countries with more murders than America?..have 100% gun bans.

It might be of interest to note that SWITZERLAND is not shown on this list, because it has almost NO murders!

But Switzerland's laws require that everyone must:

1. Own a gun.
2. Maintain Marksman qualifications regularly.

The message is clear.

GUN bans and restrictions

DO NOT work.

Originally Posted by PERRISCICABA

From the World Health Organization
The latest Murder Statistics for the world:
Murders per 100,000 citizens per year.

Honduras 91.6 (WOW!!)
El Salvador 69.2
Cote d'Ivoire 56.9
Jamaica 52.2
Venezuela 45.1
Belize 41.4
US Virgin Islands 39.2
Guatemala 38.5
Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2
Zambia 38.0
Uganda 36.3
Malawi 36.0
Lesotho 35.2
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
Colombia 33.4
South Africa 31.8
Congo 30.8
Central African Republic 29.3
Bahamas 27.4
Puerto Rico 26.2
Saint Lucia 25.2
Dominican Republic 25.0
Tanzania 24.5
Sudan 24.2
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
Ethiopia 22.5
Guinea 22.5
Dominica 22.1
Burundi 21.7
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
Panama 21.6
Brazil 21.0
Equatorial Guinea 20.7
Guinea-Bissau 20.2
Kenya 20.1(yea Obama!)
Kyrgyzstan 20.1
Cameroon 19.7
Montserrat 19.7
Greenland 19.2
Angola 19.0
Guyana 18.6
Burkina Faso 18.0
Eritrea 17.8
Namibia 17.2
Rwanda 17.1
Mexico 16.9
Chad 15.8
Ghana 15.7
Ecuador 15.2
North Korea 15.2
Benin 15.1
Sierra Leone 14.9
Mauritania 14.7
Botswana 14.5
Zimbabwe 14.3
Gabon 13.8
Nicaragua 13.6
French Guiana 13.3
Papua New Guinea 13.0
Swaziland 12.9
Bermuda 12.3
Comoros 12.2
Nigeria 12.2
Cape Verde 11.6
Grenada 11.5
Paraguay 11.5
Barbados 11.3
Togo 10.9
Gambia 10.8
Peru 10.8
Myanmar 10.2
Russia 10.2
Liberia 10.1
Costa Rica 10.0
Nauru 9.8
Bolivia 8.9
Mozambique 8.8
Kazakhstan 8.8
Senegal 8.7
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
Mongolia 8.7
British Virgin Islands 8.6
Cayman Islands 8.4
Seychelles 8.3
Madagascar 8.1
Indonesia 8.1
Mali 8.0
Pakistan 7.8
Moldova 7.5
Kiribati 7.3
Guadeloupe 7.0
Haiti 6.9
Timor-L'este 6.9
Anguilla 6.8
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
Lithuania 6.6
Uruguay 5.9
Philippines 5.4
Ukraine 5.2
Estonia 5.2
Cuba 5.0
Belarus 4.9
Thailand 4.8
Suriname 4.6
Laos 4.6
Georgia 4.3
Martinique 4.2

And The United States @ 4.0!
ALL 109 of the countries with more murders than America?..have 100% gun bans.

It might be of interest to note that SWITZERLAND is not shown on this list, because it has almost NO murders!

But Switzerland's laws require that everyone must:

1. Own a gun.
2. Maintain Marksman qualifications regularly.

The message is clear.

GUN bans and restrictions

DO NOT work.

Where all of the above murders performed with a firearm though?

WRT to the definition of a firearm as something that "can be" converted to a firearm (rather than "has been" converted)...

... am I the only one who has come across that wrong wording somewhere - well before 2017?

I do recall thinking at the time that it was a over-inclusive definition that could be used on almost anything, toy guns upwards. Now I learn it was never actually in the Arms Act. If any of you has old paper copies of the Act, would you mind taking a look?

well ,the latest edition of stuff has a relvant article .bloke in N Ibled to death after flatmates apparently shoved a 12g round into a steel pipe and hit it ................. you know the rest. what will comrade cahills vocal chords make of this then.Vhat villpolice hq do?????--------your guess is as good as mine.

Found it odd how his flatmate/good friend was outside the house with a big smile on his face

Hey @Gibo, where is the NZ info that says the majority of the crimes(homicide/death by firearm) are solely by firearms??? Why not "chase" other types of "weapons" as well? What about knifes???
Sorry just thought.

Mac

Originally Posted by PERRISCICABA

It might be of interest to note that SWITZERLAND is not shown on this list, because it has almost NO murders!

But Switzerland's laws require that everyone must:

1. Own a gun.
2. Maintain Marksman qualifications regularly.

This is entirely untrue.

People really need to stop regurgitating these types of statements regarding Switzerland.



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Originally Posted by PERRISCICABA

From the World Health Organization
The latest Murder Statistics for the world:
Murders per 100,000 citizens per year.

Honduras 91.6 (WOW!!)
El Salvador 69.2
Cote d'Ivoire 56.9
Jamaica 52.2
Venezuela 45.1
Belize 41.4
US Virgin Islands 39.2
Guatemala 38.5
Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2
Zambia 38.0
Uganda 36.3
Malawi 36.0
Lesotho 35.2
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
Colombia 33.4
South Africa 31.8
Congo 30.8
Central African Republic 29.3
Bahamas 27.4
Puerto Rico 26.2
Saint Lucia 25.2
Dominican Republic 25.0
Tanzania 24.5
Sudan 24.2
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
Ethiopia 22.5
Guinea 22.5
Dominica 22.1
Burundi 21.7
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
Panama 21.6
Brazil 21.0
Equatorial Guinea 20.7
Guinea-Bissau 20.2
Kenya 20.1(yea Obama!)
Kyrgyzstan 20.1
Cameroon 19.7
Montserrat 19.7
Greenland 19.2
Angola 19.0
Guyana 18.6
Burkina Faso 18.0
Eritrea 17.8
Namibia 17.2
Rwanda 17.1
Mexico 16.9
Chad 15.8
Ghana 15.7
Ecuador 15.2
North Korea 15.2
Benin 15.1
Sierra Leone 14.9
Mauritania 14.7
Botswana 14.5
Zimbabwe 14.3
Gabon 13.8
Nicaragua 13.6
French Guiana 13.3
Papua New Guinea 13.0
Swaziland 12.9
Bermuda 12.3
Comoros 12.2
Nigeria 12.2
Cape Verde 11.6
Grenada 11.5
Paraguay 11.5
Barbados 11.3
Togo 10.9
Gambia 10.8
Peru 10.8
Myanmar 10.2
Russia 10.2
Liberia 10.1
Costa Rica 10.0
Nauru 9.8
Bolivia 8.9
Mozambique 8.8
Kazakhstan 8.8
Senegal 8.7
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
Mongolia 8.7
British Virgin Islands 8.6
Cayman Islands 8.4
Seychelles 8.3
Madagascar 8.1
Indonesia 8.1
Mali 8.0
Pakistan 7.8
Moldova 7.5
Kiribati 7.3
Guadeloupe 7.0
Haiti 6.9
Timor-L'este 6.9
Anguilla 6.8
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
Lithuania 6.6
Uruguay 5.9
Philippines 5.4
Ukraine 5.2
Estonia 5.2
Cuba 5.0
Belarus 4.9
Thailand 4.8
Suriname 4.6
Laos 4.6
Georgia 4.3
Martinique 4.2

And The United States @ 4.0!
ALL 109 of the countries with more murders than America?..have 100% gun bans.

It might be of interest to note that SWITZERLAND is not shown on this list, because it has almost NO murders!

But Switzerland's laws require that everyone must:

1. Own a gun.
2. Maintain Marksman qualifications regularly.

The message is clear.

GUN bans and restrictions

DO NOT work.

Got a link please?

Originally Posted by Danger Mouse

Got a link please?

I will work on it, currently information via in law.

I think you need to research a little more before posting that kind of rubbish.

All of those countries have 100% gun bans?! Obviously untrue.

I've been to Switzerland many times and know that those two "laws" to be non-existent.

The myths regarding Swiss firearms laws have been debunked with the same regularity that they've been perpetuated. I posted about this in a similar vein semi-recently.