Thread: New Updated Arms Code 2017

Originally Posted by Sidney

context is not just the phraseology used.... it is also the situation that it is being applied to..... you don't get out of it that easily...

the implication was obvious... and so was the intention..

And the context I used never mentioned nor implied any illegality, you tried to do that yourself. Simply that any closed meeting to formulate a plan to undermine the status quo, or disadvantage another party, does fit the dictionary meaning for conspiracy. Just as the potential to put a potato up the exhaust of any motor vehicle would fit the police description of a firearm and would mean by the police arms code that every motor vehicle owner/driver would require a firearms license and the usual vetting and storage that goes along with it. They both fit.

except that they don't both fit... and that is the argument. Your meaning fits in a metaphoric sense to non legal situations, but no its not appropriate in this one.

we don't talk about a cabinet meeting as a conspiracy meeting. Looney green politicians might, sort of why they are looney. Nor do we talk about strategy and planning meetings as conspiracy meeting, private or not... those meetings create advantage and disadvantage for people on every occasion and its inappropriate to use it then...

we only use that term, to imply illegality and or illegitimacy which was exactly the intention in this discussion. Now when I question whether that illegality or illigitimacy actually exists, you're fall back position is that it didn't actually mean that...?? and apparently "undermine" and "disadvantage" are now the measure??
Show me that definition...

its common usage is to imply illegality and illigitimacy.... or intended illegality... which is precisely how it was used and intended...

c'mon ..... the misapplication is obvious and not even useful. It demeans the significance of the word. Save it for obvious corruption not just policy you don't like or attempts to change the law you are not happy about.

Get a room

you all seem to want to watch.... lol

Originally Posted by Sidney

except that they don't both fit... and that is the argument. Your meaning fits in a metaphoric sense to non legal situations, but no its not appropriate in this one.

we don't talk about a cabinet meeting as a conspiracy meeting. Looney green politicians might, sort of why they are looney. Nor do we talk about strategy and planning meetings as conspiracy meeting, private or not... those meetings create advantage and disadvantage for people on every occasion and its inappropriate to use it then...

we only use that term, to imply illegality and or illegitimacy which was exactly the intention in this discussion. Now when I question whether that illegality or illigitimacy actually exists, you're fall back position is that it didn't actually mean that...?? and apparently "undermine" and "disadvantage" are now the measure??
Show me that definition...

its common usage is to imply illegality and illigitimacy.... or intended illegality... which is precisely how it was used and intended...

c'mon ..... the misapplication is obvious and not even useful. It demeans the significance of the word. Save it for obvious corruption not just policy you don't like or attempts to change the law you are not happy about.

Semantics. Discuss this with people who have been charged with "conspiracy to commit" {various crimes}offences, or their lawyers. Doesn't matter. T he lawmakers have decided that you CAN, in fact be charged with a crime you haven't committed by making the discussion of such crime - a crime. So if you're talking with a mate about , ohhh, for example shooting a politician in a few days when they come to your town, you are in a power of poo. Not for shooting the useless bastard, but for thinking about it and sharing your thoughts. We need a judge here, perhaps to define "conspiracy" and its qualifier, "to commit a specified crime". In the meantime, as per @Gibo, get a room.

you wanna contribute... work on identifying the issue before bothering to analyse criminal conspiracy.... its not the point

otherwise piss off... you don't get to decide what other people want to engage with...

Originally Posted by Sidney

except that they don't both fit... and that is the argument. Your meaning fits in a metaphoric sense to non legal situations, but no its not appropriate in this one.

we don't talk about a cabinet meeting as a conspiracy meeting. Looney green politicians might, sort of why they are looney. Nor do we talk about strategy and planning meetings as conspiracy meeting, private or not... those meetings create advantage and disadvantage for people on every occasion and its inappropriate to use it then...

we only use that term, to imply illegality and or illegitimacy which was exactly the intention in this discussion. Now when I question whether that illegality or illigitimacy actually exists, you're fall back position is that it didn't actually mean that...?? and apparently "undermine" and "disadvantage" are now the measure??
Show me that definition...

its common usage is to imply illegality and illigitimacy.... or intended illegality... which is precisely how it was used and intended...

c'mon ..... the misapplication is obvious and not even useful. It demeans the significance of the word. Save it for obvious corruption not just policy you don't like or attempts to change the law you are not happy about.

dictionary.com

an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.

oxforddictionaries.com

A secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

thefreedictionary.com

An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design

macmillandictionary.com

a secret plan by a group of people to do something bad or illegal, especially in politics

collinsdictionary.com

A conspiracy is an agreement between a group of people which other people think is wrong or is likely to be harmful.

I and the vast majority of dictionaries beg to differ.

Originally Posted by Sidney

you all seem to want to watch.... lol

And that would be an assumption..... by a potential conspiracy......

However, I AM going to my/wife's room now..... and no you can't watch....

Gadget.... so you cant find undermine or disadvantage then? To use it in the way it has been here is just hyperbole. And you know it...

Mauser... you don't understand the system... the court is the means by which the interpretation of the law is established...

going to court is part of the process...outcomes are not garanteed.. one case is of no consequence...

pretty sure their game is trying to make your recreation more differcult.... they just don't care about you...

Man you fellas must have some time on your hands(I know you're a bit crook gadget..). As this was going I actually did some work( fuck all admittedly) and went to a committee meeting. You guys ....??


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Not those words. But surreptitious, subversive, harmful, wrong, bad, ... cover it pretty nicely. Can you not read Sidney? They are all terms other than illegal that are very good matches.

Originally Posted by tiroatedson

Man you fellas must have some time on your hands(I know you're a bit crook gadget..). As this was going I actually did some work( fuck all admittedly) and went to a committee meeting. You guys ....??


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I'm still laid up pretty bad. Managed to get up for 1/2 an hour but was pretty much crawling back to lie down. Not looking too flash.

Still this trolling lark is a fun way to take my mind of the pain. Not that I'm intentionally trying to troll, just pointing out that one word in particular is not tied to a narrow trade definition.

Originally Posted by gadgetman

I'm still laid up pretty bad. Managed to get up for 1/2 an hour but was pretty much crawling back to lie down. Not looking too flash.

Still this trolling lark is a fun way to take my mind of the pain. Not that I'm intentionally trying to troll, just pointing out that one word in particular is not tied to a narrow trade definition.

All good gadget. Just taking the Micky a little bit. I know where you're coming from I have suspicions myself


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Originally Posted by tiroatedson

All good gadget. Just taking the Micky a little bit. I know where you're coming from I have suspicions myself


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We're in agreement overall, "something is rotten in the state of Denmark."

Originally Posted by gadgetman

We're in agreement overall, "something is rotten in the state of Denmark."

Yep. Hope ya back sorts itself out.


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