early draft mistakenly published? we keep calling the police on their bullshit and illegal stunts, and they still think we are that stupid? really?Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmer
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early draft mistakenly published? we keep calling the police on their bullshit and illegal stunts, and they still think we are that stupid? really?Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmer
What a load of bullshit,Quote:
Originally Posted by zimmer
They pushed and we pushed back now they are like shit maybe we got this wrong
Yeah Andrew is a good guy doing his best for us but the cynic in me would have to question the "mistaken" publication by the police and their motives behind it.
Letting off steam on a forum is one thing but it is a numbers game now via submissions, so keep those submissions rolling in to Paula, her wee advisory team, your MP.
Are there any hard copies.? I dropped into my cop shop last week and all they had was the 2013 version.Quote:
Originally Posted by stug
Keep piling in the submissions. Keep in mind this is only a battle, the war will take longer to sort, and typically most of us will flare up and then go off the boil whilst those agin us will continue to plod along on the long haul.
IGNORE ABOVE, YOU ARE RIGHT, apparently hard copies are out there.
This from SSANZ
"We have been advised that the 2017 Arms Code has been pulled from the Police website after various firearm groups (including SSANZ) pointed out glaring errors. Police claiming it was an advance copy. However we don't think so because a printed version has also been published and is in circulation. Police claim they are now going to review the document and consult with the FCAF, which they should have done in the first instant."
Just to clarify, the section of the message I posted following ANDREW is what they received, not Andrew's words. Don't kill the messanger (Andrew) or me for that sake. ha ha
@zimmer Outdoorlad posted a pic of a hard copy of 2017 Code and vietnamcam said he had a copy as well. Someone else posted they picked up 15 copies for their firearms licence course they were running.
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2017...2ec5c2e510.jpg
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Thanks Stug, missed that.Quote:
Originally Posted by stug
I wonder now if they will do the "right" thing and recall the misleading information they have provided in the form of hard copies ha ha.
Publishing a booklet like that is not a 5 minute exercise - they have been working on that or some time whilst not disclosing their intent to the mixed committee.
LOL. The "smoking gun"Quote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
Yep there telling porky pies!
I'd hold onto that veitnamcam might be like those rear stamps that have been printed wrong but go into publication.
20years ago they got away with this Scott free!
Not this time guys get stuck in the future of our sports depends on it:omg:
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/2017...b44153fe45.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by veitnamcam
I didn't spot that on page 44. But while it is not word for word, it is very similarly written on page 41 in the first paragraph under the "Firearms Licence" topic. The one difference I did notice is in the section you show it states "Asked" where the page 41 statement states "required" as though it is mandatory.
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"A licence holder may possess any number of sporting-type rifles and shotguns although you will be required to justify the number of firearms you hold when Police inspect your security."
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w...psraslcuyv.jpg
Also seems to be a new licence card design as featured on page 41.
As for me justifying why I have x firearms - I might ask them to justify the reasons they're asking in the first place.
Using a PDF document analyser it suggests to me that this file might have actually been created earlier than we'd like to think...
Trapped /False
ModDate D:20170306153304+13'00'
CreationDate D:20170306153256+13'00'
Producer Adobe PDF Library 15.0
Creator Adobe InDesign CC 2017 (Macintosh)
D:2017 (year) 03 (month) 06 (day)153304 (hh:mm:ss) +13'00' (GMT +13 = NZ time zone).
The above is based on my assumption that they're using American English regional settings (viz mm/dd) and / or U.S. dictionary (given that they have used the word "oriented" in the text as opposed to "orientated" I think this is entirely plausible).
EDIT: Online resource did okay but using Notepad++ and searching for dates I found creation date:
xmp:CreatorTool="Adobe Photoshop CC 2017 (Macintosh)"
xmp:CreateDate="2017-02-21T15:01:03+13:00"
Seems they've been cooking this up for a while.
Can't be any other date format, since 03 June hasn't arrived yet. Your assumptions seem correct.
Just more evidence that the tail wants to wag the dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan
Cheers
Pete
That has been my gut feeling but you have just proven to us all they are in fact; lyingQuote:
Originally Posted by Ryan
Yet again obviously... But this one is a really really bad one. And, a TOTAL waste of tax payers money I might add, by-crikey this should go in the epic fail basket or something.
Question - Where in the law does it say you have to open your safe for the police to inspect your firearms? in relations to justifying your firearms
To give you some background - A friend of mine was asked last year when renewing his licence if he would open his safe, he asked why? they said to inspect his firearms for illegal guns "e-cats" and their serial numbers, he politely told them no as this was not the law or a requirement to procure a firearms licence, you can see that my security is of a high standard (has a rather large and heavy safe) and that it hasn't changed in the last 10 years and to get a warrant if they want to see whats inside. Of course they disputed this and tried to "politely convince him" stating this would have a bearing on whether they renew his licence and that he would have "a flag against his name". He stated that again this was not a requirement to get or renew a licence, they left and he got his licence a month later.
I think that when Nicolas Taylor is going to ask those questions to court in June he should be mentioning that part as well.
Because that will re enforce his argument that police are taking actions outside of what the law authorise them to do.
Tested, water cold, wrong version? To be withdrawn? Or am I wrong?
Anyone read the acknowledgements? I especially like the part "Police appreciate your interest and dedication to arms control"
It looks to me like they expected the law & order recommendations to go thru & they will be allowed to make it up as they please. What I'd like to know is what are the likes of Guncity, H&F, etc doing to keep our firearms rights as they stand to lose a lot if the police get there way?
Someone asked H&F and their position was neither here nor there. Looks like they don't want to get involved. I choose to do business with politically active dealers.
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Views and opinions are like arse holes, everyone has one and they are not always the same. Can't believe you have decided to do your shopping based on the business that has the most political view point. And really but then again you have an arse hole just like meQuote:
Originally Posted by stretch
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Is it is their business that's going to be adversely affected if the continued pernicious law change proposals are going to be passed. If they are being vocal and challenging these unlawful proposals and in turn helping look after my rights / privileges / whatever you believe them to be, then they will most certainly continue to receive my custom.
I didn't say I deal with the business that has the most political view point. I said I deal with politically active dealers. I should've been more precise in my wording and said "I do business with dealers whose politics align with mine".Quote:
Originally Posted by HNTMAD
Police back tracking today
Police admit distributing incorrect information on firearms rules | Stuff.co.nz
Well I don't use Paypal any more as there anti so I'd also do the same for a store that did not support my way of life!
HNTMAD what exactly do you see is wrong here?
Do you not agree that the firearms licensing system in NZ is trying to be hijacked by the department that is only ment to issue license!
Not make the law!
Ryan some interesting information that you dug up there on when it was made/designed?
They seem to forget that we can use a computer too......lucky us;)
What is just as annoying is tax payers still paid for that:wtfsmilie:
Outdoorlad just read that see the line at the bottom they now want us to destroy the booklet him getting rid of evidence ah:O_O::omg::pissed off: veitnamcam hold onto that booklet it's evidence :thumbsup:
Oooh, comments are open on that stuff article. Have at it!Quote:
Originally Posted by outdoorlad
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Video metaphor for the Police handling of the Arms Code update. Backpedalling included.
https://youtu.be/lAfZ1N56qjY
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Are they now handing out caravans our is that a firearm? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by stretch
I think Post 61 by Carpe Diem sums the likely reasoning up fairly well
Another ballsup by police
i think that it is often a help to them that so many criminals are so thick
moderation must be buisy :DQuote:
Originally Posted by stretch
Just because a store has no opinion doesnt mean they dont, maybe their policy is not to comment therefore be seen as the H&F's stand point. You see when someone in any job that is part of a company unless they own it themselves are caught in a rock and a hard place as anything they say can be deemed as "company line" when it is personal comment. Just seems odd that Stretch spoke to a member of the H&F team and now dont shop H&F, or will they stop and ask each member of that branch their political viewpoint before moving to the next gun shop??Quote:
Originally Posted by Sideshow
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My opinion is based on someone asking H&F head office for their position, an getting an apolitical/abstaining reply. Not me personally speaking to one pleb in one store and judging the entire chain on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by HNTMAD
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So you or "someone" will be ringing head office of all the "hunting" stores to get their political view, and should they all come up with the same, what then. I would imagine if any of them were interested then they would have voiced that already??? Maybe none want to be involved in case it hurts business?? Interesting that this is also formed on a 3rd hand conversation as opposed to horses mouth, but each to their ownQuote:
Originally Posted by stretch
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I was privy to the email reply, so not really hearsay. I've identified a few dealers that ARE actively fighting for the future of our hobby, so no, I don't intend to canvas every other dealer.Quote:
Originally Posted by HNTMAD
Awesome, so who are they and what are their thoughtsQuote:
Originally Posted by stretch
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Yeah you're right. I did submit a request asking how many they ordered, how many they recieved, and the unit cost of each booklet.Quote:
Originally Posted by stug
We shall see xD
I am sure they knew very well what they were doing when printing these.