I question the need to have a FAL to own that. Deactivated guns are specifically excluded in the arms act.
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I question the need to have a FAL to own that. Deactivated guns are specifically excluded in the arms act.
I notice that no one is questioning the need to get one of these though...It might be a "fast but really shit bulldozer" but hey, why the hell not....?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jexla
There is no such classification as a "deactivated firearm" and you will find no mention of such in the Arms Act 1983.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jexla
You're right, my bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan
It's mentioned in the arms code, which we know is not law.
Section 8.17 Deactivated Firearms:
1. Under United Kingdom legislation, firearms that have been deactivated to Government specifications and certified by a Proof House do not require the owner to possess a firearms certificate for the firearm.
2. NZ Law does not recognise the status of “deactivated”, on the basis that some of these “deactivated” firearms can be converted to live firing status by a competent machinist in a relatively short time.
3. The only situation where a firearm has been accepted as “deactivated” in New Zealand is where it has been sectionalised from end to end.
Still stupid though, where would you even get ammo for it?
Probably have to handload for it.......I can see it now, 6542 grs powder, behind a 49,000 gr projectile imagine the fun doing load development......:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jexla
I down loaded a soft copy of the police website last week, if any one wants oneQuote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch
Wonder if it could qualify as an 'antique firearm' under the Arms Act?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jexla
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Originally Posted by arms act
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No worries cheers :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jexla
Thanks Jexla, good stuff!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jexla
From the World Health Organization
The latest Murder Statistics for the world:
Murders per 100,000 citizens per year.
Honduras 91.6 (WOW!!)
El Salvador 69.2
Cote d'Ivoire 56.9
Jamaica 52.2
Venezuela 45.1
Belize 41.4
US Virgin Islands 39.2
Guatemala 38.5
Saint Kitts and Nevis 38.2
Zambia 38.0
Uganda 36.3
Malawi 36.0
Lesotho 35.2
Trinidad and Tobago 35.2
Colombia 33.4
South Africa 31.8
Congo 30.8
Central African Republic 29.3
Bahamas 27.4
Puerto Rico 26.2
Saint Lucia 25.2
Dominican Republic 25.0
Tanzania 24.5
Sudan 24.2
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 22.9
Ethiopia 22.5
Guinea 22.5
Dominica 22.1
Burundi 21.7
Democratic Republic of the Congo 21.7
Panama 21.6
Brazil 21.0
Equatorial Guinea 20.7
Guinea-Bissau 20.2
Kenya 20.1(yea Obama!)
Kyrgyzstan 20.1
Cameroon 19.7
Montserrat 19.7
Greenland 19.2
Angola 19.0
Guyana 18.6
Burkina Faso 18.0
Eritrea 17.8
Namibia 17.2
Rwanda 17.1
Mexico 16.9
Chad 15.8
Ghana 15.7
Ecuador 15.2
North Korea 15.2
Benin 15.1
Sierra Leone 14.9
Mauritania 14.7
Botswana 14.5
Zimbabwe 14.3
Gabon 13.8
Nicaragua 13.6
French Guiana 13.3
Papua New Guinea 13.0
Swaziland 12.9
Bermuda 12.3
Comoros 12.2
Nigeria 12.2
Cape Verde 11.6
Grenada 11.5
Paraguay 11.5
Barbados 11.3
Togo 10.9
Gambia 10.8
Peru 10.8
Myanmar 10.2
Russia 10.2
Liberia 10.1
Costa Rica 10.0
Nauru 9.8
Bolivia 8.9
Mozambique 8.8
Kazakhstan 8.8
Senegal 8.7
Turks and Caicos Islands 8.7
Mongolia 8.7
British Virgin Islands 8.6
Cayman Islands 8.4
Seychelles 8.3
Madagascar 8.1
Indonesia 8.1
Mali 8.0
Pakistan 7.8
Moldova 7.5
Kiribati 7.3
Guadeloupe 7.0
Haiti 6.9
Timor-L'este 6.9
Anguilla 6.8
Antigua and Barbuda 6.8
Lithuania 6.6
Uruguay 5.9
Philippines 5.4
Ukraine 5.2
Estonia 5.2
Cuba 5.0
Belarus 4.9
Thailand 4.8
Suriname 4.6
Laos 4.6
Georgia 4.3
Martinique 4.2
And The United States @ 4.0!
ALL 109 of the countries with more murders than America?..have 100% gun bans.
It might be of interest to note that SWITZERLAND is not shown on this list, because it has almost NO murders!
But Switzerland's laws require that everyone must:
1. Own a gun.
2. Maintain Marksman qualifications regularly.
The message is clear.
GUN bans and restrictions
DO NOT work.
Where all of the above murders performed with a firearm though?Quote:
Originally Posted by PERRISCICABA
WRT to the definition of a firearm as something that "can be" converted to a firearm (rather than "has been" converted)...
... am I the only one who has come across that wrong wording somewhere - well before 2017?
I do recall thinking at the time that it was a over-inclusive definition that could be used on almost anything, toy guns upwards. Now I learn it was never actually in the Arms Act. If any of you has old paper copies of the Act, would you mind taking a look?
well ,the latest edition of stuff has a relvant article .bloke in N Ibled to death after flatmates apparently shoved a 12g round into a steel pipe and hit it ................. you know the rest. what will comrade cahills vocal chords make of this then.Vhat villpolice hq do?????--------your guess is as good as mine.
Found it odd how his flatmate/good friend was outside the house with a big smile on his face
Hey @Gibo, where is the NZ info that says the majority of the crimes(homicide/death by firearm) are solely by firearms??? Why not "chase" other types of "weapons" as well? What about knifes???
Sorry just thought.
Mac
This is entirely untrue.Quote:
Originally Posted by PERRISCICABA
People really need to stop regurgitating these types of statements regarding Switzerland.
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Got a link please?Quote:
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I will work on it, currently information via in law.Quote:
Originally Posted by Danger Mouse
I think you need to research a little more before posting that kind of rubbish.
All of those countries have 100% gun bans?! Obviously untrue.
I've been to Switzerland many times and know that those two "laws" to be non-existent.
The myths regarding Swiss firearms laws have been debunked with the same regularity that they've been perpetuated. I posted about this in a similar vein semi-recently.
I'm pretty sure the good people of Indonesia, The Philippines, South Africa, PNG, Georgia, Honduras, Jamaica, Kenya, Pakistan, Russia, Colombia, Grenada, Kazakhstan, Estonia, Guatemala, Venezuela, Laos, El Salvador and others will be surprised to find they have 100% gun bans.
Especially all the IPSC shooters in those countries who enjoy practical shooting. Not to mention those shooters from New Zealand who have traveled to and shot in those countries.
Some of those countries' firearm laws, Jamaica in particular, are so draconian as to effectively be a 100% ban.
I have been to ranges in Honduras, fun times and if there was a gun ban it wasent aparent
Zimbabwe dose not have a gun ban? Pretty sure you can take your firearm into hunt!
Saint Kitts and Nevis, I've taken a shotgun to. Nice dove shooting was a few years back though.
Would not go again as it was getting a little dangerous then.....St Kitts:O_O: was!
Switzerland dose have plenty of murders mass shootings it's been posted before.
Those facts aren't real, as how can you trust statistics coming from the likes of Mr Uncle Bob zim :sick: he's got more opposition supporters buried in his back garden than Putin:o:P
Majority of them were put there by Rhodesian security forces. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Sideshow
Accidentally discharged shotgun shell said to have killed Hamilton man | Stuff.co.nz
So as per new arms code, all steel pipe is now a firearm as per Section 1a
"anything that can be adapted to discharge any shot" etc.
Just want to point out I called this back on page 2 of this thread. :D
I knew it! This thread is much about supposed changes to the Arms Code 2017 police leaflet, but the same silly error has been there all along in "The Arms Code, 2013" leaflet. With all respect, firearms owners who should have known must have been asleep, or did read the 2013 leaflet.
From "The Arms Code, 2013" (error highlighted with capitals):
" T 1 a) Definition of a firearm
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The Arms Act 1983 defines a firearm as anything from
which any shot, bullet, missile or other projectile can be
discharged by force of explosive.
It includes anything THAT CAN BE ADAPTED so that it can
discharge any shot, bullet, missile or other projectile by
force of explosive.
It also includes anything that for the time being is not
capable of discharging any shot, bullet, missile or other
projectile by force of explosive, but which by it’s completion
or repair would be capable of doing so.
Who cares? The arms code is just a safety manual. Not a legal document.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cordite
Gun Bans or total prohibition? No but some of the most restrictive are the some of the most violent. I think the point is that violence and murder (including mass killings) is more related to culture than gun laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savage1
But with the NZ Police's name on it. Looked at one recently?Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
Not exactly the link I suppose everyone is interested but something to think about.
Cheers
Mac
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._homicide_rate
delved in a bit more, the site they are obtaining the gun facts from is a bit of an interesting read. Guns in New ZealandQuote:
Originally Posted by PERRISCICABA
it is no longer being updated until funds allow, but the estimated illicit guns in NZ (as deemed by the UN) seems a bit high to me.
Alpers! Really! All looks good to me, id be fairly positive reading that, Firearms numbers coming down, very few used in suicides and murders, bugger all FAL owners per 100,000 etc.
Make you wonder what all the fuss is about!!
A lot of UN mentions in there. The part about standardizing fire arms legislation across the pacific worries me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skitsokiwi
Pacific Islands Forum
As a member of the Pacific Islands Forum, New Zealand adopted the March, 2000 Nadi Framework agreement, which aims to harmonise small arm-related legislation across Oceania. In August 2003, the Nadi Framework’s draft model Weapons Control Bill was unanimously accepted for consideration by all 16 member states of the Pacific Islands Forum
I can't see the idiots over in West Island choosing to use our legislation.
I dunno. They had the sense to put the beach in the middle cos there's too many sharks around the outside......Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve123
Hes some AO logic for you, I have been to the AO and filled in a form to procure a new rifle from down country. I have given my work address as the place I would like it delivered to because I am at work all day to receive it.
But no, it can only be del to my home address where it will sit at the front door, or a courier depot?
I argued that the safest place for del was my work. He told me that was not one of my choices and he would not issue me a permit unless I gave him one of the options on the form for del.
I told him that I didnt think that was law, he said it was police interpretations and he wouldnt talk to me any further, it was my residence or a courier company and I could ring back with what I was going to do and he was not going to continue the conversation and would hang up!!
really logic, no wonder we lose firearms in this country.
Im getting del to my home address, hopefully it wont be raining on the day and its still there when I get home!!:O_O:
Where do you live and what date?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maca49
Ill fill you in once I sorted my insurance!! Police cant argue, I gave them the safest option!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gibo