no license needed

consider this a safety issue hence this section.

brought a lot of parts for reloading today, projectiles, powder and primers. knew what i wanted so was quick and easy. was also at an engineers at one point and was looking at a few projects the guys had on the go. seems far to easy for someone who knows what they are doing to weld up a rudimentary firearm and buy all the parts you need for making the bits to go in it and no need for a license. plenty of you tube videos showing how to put all your components together and how to use a press. also how to make 22 zip gun and similar (ok its rimfire so you cant reload easily) this just seems ridiculous when law abiding firearm owners jump through all the hoops!

Gun city mentioned that they are thinking of changing store policy so yyou need to show licence to buy primers but its not in effect yet.

anyone else noticed this?

i realise that this may give people ideas and if moderators want to remove it thats fine but i think its a serious f*(king mistake of the powers that be

Yep I thought strange when I purchased a heap on consumables for reloading, produced my licence and told no need? I cannot but Black Powder without my licence though?

Be easier to just buy a black market gun id guess

If the cops don't see an issue I guess crims are not on the habit of making there own anmo.

It would also be east to make your own black powder gun from scratch and also make the ammo from scratch but crims don't seem to do it.

I guess as basic crims are stupid or drug fucked and high level ones can get whatever they want anyway that it's just not a issue in the real world? Would love the view of someone actually on the coal face @Savage1

Black powder explosive other just burns quickly. Let Darwin's theory sorry out the zip gun crowd... What component makes a firearm functional... The barrel, the bolt, the upper or lower... What if only the stock or magazine made it e cat - why would there be so many hoops for one buying an upper or lower? But can you purchase a 30rnd mag on the promise you own a troy pump or a ruger american and only that.....

Half the time Guncity dont even ask for a licence when you buy ammunition so I would be interested to see how they would implement asking for buying primers

Working this concept through why don't you need a fal for guyfawks?

But possessing ammo without an fal is against the law so no-one will do it.If by chance someone does then we will make it even more against the law,problem solved.

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If the cops don't see an issue I guess crims are not on the habit of making there own anmo.

It would also be east to make your own black powder gun from scratch and also make the ammo from scratch but crims don't seem to do it.

I guess as basic crims are stupid or drug fucked and high level ones can get whatever they want anyway that it's just not a issue in the real world? Would love the view of someone actually on the coal face @Savage1

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I've quite recently dealt with a guy that was making pistols for gang members, he was either modifying blank firing pistols or making completely new ones, some were disguised as pens that fired .22LR and some of the modifed blank firing pistols were done superbly well, from what I could tell he'd made barrel sleves and manufactured the critical components. He was a toolmaker by trade and had become addicted to meth, he was a mongrel to begin with anyway and very dangerous.

That's just one recent incident, I come across a lot of criminals in possession of firearms and a lot of home made ones, the dumbest most low level bottom feeders still have access to firearms.

The gangs recruit or lean on people with very good knowledge of firearms to assemble and manufacture them, and have friends with FALs to get them ammo, never heard of crims with a reloading setup but it's not unlikely. They don't go through ammo like the average shooter, most of them would have never fired their weapons so need very little ammo.

Ammo access isn't the problem, I think the best change that could be made would be to make E-cat level security the standard for A-cat. And please people, don't store your f%$king safe keys in another smaller less sturdy safe beside the main safe, or anywhere remotely obvious for that matter.

Wow I went off on a tangent there, I've completely forgotten what I was originally talking about.

All of this is my opinion and my opinion alone.

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Half the time Guncity dont even ask for a licence when you buy ammunition so I would be interested to see how they would implement asking for buying primers

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Yeah have noticed that, but usually it's someone who has seen my license previously

Fair points that the crime can probably get firearms and ammo off the black market easier. @Savage1 forget obvious keys know of rifles that aren't locked up at all, bolts and ammo in a filing cabinet and this is from someone with a lisence

Scary stuff savage1, a trained toolmaker could make almost my any sort of gun or ammo. A blackpowder powered submachinegun wold almost be child's play to such a person

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I've quite recently dealt with a guy that was making pistols for gang members, he was either modifying blank firing pistols or making completely new ones, some were disguised as pens that fired .22LR and some of the modifed blank firing pistols were done superbly well, from what I could tell he'd made barrel sleves and manufactured the critical components. He was a toolmaker by trade and had become addicted to meth, he was a mongrel to begin with anyway and very dangerous.

That's just one recent incident, I come across a lot of criminals in possession of firearms and a lot of home made ones, the dumbest most low level bottom feeders still have access to firearms.

The gangs recruit or lean on people with very good knowledge of firearms to assemble and manufacture them, and have friends with FALs to get them ammo, never heard of crims with a reloading setup but it's not unlikely. They don't go through ammo like the average shooter, most of them would have never fired their weapons so need very little ammo.

Ammo access isn't the problem, I think the best change that could be made would be to make E-cat level security the standard for A-cat. And please people, don't store your f%$king safe keys in another smaller less sturdy safe beside the main safe, or anywhere remotely obvious for that matter.

Wow I went off on a tangent there, I've completely forgotten what I was originally talking about.

All of this is my opinion and my opinion alone.

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This. The motorcycle gangs without motorcycles are the bottom tier useless fucktard, they just pinch them in burgs, or take them off thier pet burglars. The top tier MCs take them off the lower knuckle draggers, or just swap them for meth or for forgiveness for perceived slights/favours/reign in an area. The mid tier (rural) get them from below and above them in the pecking order (they all know each other) and live a cheery life.

This is all due to it not being a major when they get busted. Concurrent sentences and limp dick judges, there's your issue.

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But possessing ammo without an fal is against the law so no-one will do it.If by chance someone does then we will make it even more against the law,problem solved.

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i thought and thought i read that you cant buy ammo without a fal , but you can have in your possesion ammo without a fal ..... im 95% sure ....

whoop , guess i was well wrong

43B Restriction on sales of ammunition



(1)

Every person commits an offence and is liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding $1,000 who sells or supplies ammunition for any firearm or restricted weapon to a person who is not—

(a)
the holder of a firearms licence; or


(b)
a licensed dealer.



(2)

In any prosecution for an offence against subsection (1) in which it is proved that the defendant sold or supplied ammunition for a firearm or restricted weapon to any person, the burden of proving that that person was—

(a)
the holder of a firearms licence; or


(b)
a licensed dealer,—


shall lie on the defendant.


(3)

It is a good defence to a prosecution for an offence against subsection (1) if the defendant proves—

(a)
that the ammunition was supplied to a person for use under the immediate supervision of the holder of a firearms licence; and


(b)
that at all times while the person to whom the ammunition was supplied was in possession of the ammunition, that person was under the immediate supervision of the holder of a firearms licence.



(4)

A defendant may, in the case of a prosecution for an offence against subsection (1), discharge the burden of proof placed on the defendant by subsection (2) by proving that the defendant took reasonable steps to ascertain whether the person to whom the ammunition was sold or supplied was—

(a)
the holder of a firearms licence; or


(b)
a licensed dealer.



(5)

Nothing in this section applies in relation to any ammunition for a firearm to which paragraph (a) or paragraph (b) or

That section is only regarding the sale and purchase of ammunition. Possession is covered by section 45 and 51 of the Arms Act 1983.

Sec51 is specific in regards to being in a public place and Sec45 covers any place. FAL isn't essential(eg courier drivers etc) but it can be hard to prove a lawful purpose without one.

Clear as mud?

[QUOTE=Savage1;487196]I've quite recently dealt with a guy that was making pistols for gang members, he was either modifying blank firing pistols or making completely new ones, some were disguised as pens that fired .22LR and some of the modifed blank firing pistols were done superbly well, from what I could tell he'd made barrel sleves and manufactured the critical components. He was a toolmaker by trade and had become addicted to meth, he was a mongrel to begin with anyway and very dangerous.

That's just one recent incident, I come across a lot of criminals in possession of firearms and a lot of home made ones, the dumbest most low level bottom feeders still have access to firearms.

The gangs recruit or lean on people with very good knowledge of firearms to assemble and manufacture them, and have friends with FALs to get them ammo, never heard of crims with a reloading setup but it's not unlikely. They don't go through ammo like the average shooter, most of them would have never fired their weapons so need very little ammo.

Ammo access isn't the problem, I think the best change that could be made would be to make E-cat level security the standard for A-cat. And please people, don't store your f%$king safe keys in another smaller less sturdy safe beside the main safe, or anywhere remotely obvious for that matter.

Wow I went off on a tangent there, I've completely forgotten what I was originally talking about.

All of this is my opinion and my opinion alone.[/QUOTEits alright cutting precision posts is bloody stressful:D

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Working this concept through why don't you need a fal for guyfawks?

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probably be a good idea considering how many people hurt themselves, wait until you have to get powergel or ampho, that is another layer of licensing

you don't need a licence to buy a car,
you don't need a licence to buy potassium permanganate and glycerine (and various other 'garden supplies')

you're only buying components not ammunition.
should you have to get a licence to buy black powder?
what about a press, might as well lump brass in to that.
then there's the matter of lead and moulds. are you buying for sinkers or projectiles? better safe than sorry though....

Be careful what you wish for, it might come true.

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you don't need a licence to buy a car,
you don't need a licence to buy potassium permanganate and glycerine (and various other 'garden supplies')

you're only buying components not ammunition.
should you have to get a licence to buy black powder?
what about a press, might as well lump brass in to that.
then there's the matter of lead and moulds. are you buying for sinkers or projectiles? better safe than sorry though....

Be careful what you wish for, it might come true.

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fair point but i would have thought primers were the important part!

Please don't open this can of worms. Being able to craft my own ammo is one of the few freedoms I enjoy without telling big brother

For Christ's sake, don't give any more encouragement to the petty bureaucrats that infest our country! The fact that there is no current problem with the purchasing regime for reloading components, or the misuse therof, means that things should continue as they are. We are inundated with bullshit regulations that serve no purpose other than to give a perception of 'control' to mindless Government departments, and line a few pockets in the process. When I was a teenager I could purchase gelignite, detonators, and safety fuse (for lawful use) just by signing the explosives register, get a job as a forklift driver without a specific ticket to drive one, same as a chainsaw operator, or any one of many jobs. We are being taken over by meddling fuckwits who promote such crap in order to make their purile and insignificant little lives seem useful. Not one of these bureaucratic changes has had any effect on industrial accidents, misuse of explosives, etc, but has made life more difficult and expensive for those who wish to use such items. I am not supporting the excesses of Pol Pot but he had a few good ideas!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZrFVtmRXrw

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZrFVtmRXrw

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well at $70 plus a box of 20 it wont take long to get to 5grand!