Thread: Northland Shooting

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...hland-shooting

Not good, not good at all, thoughts go out to the families.

Not sure if anyone knew the guy, but by the sounds of it seems like he was a bit unstable.

Any man or woman for that matter can crack given the right circumstances, and there will always be the outliers but reckon as shooters we need to do more to ensure we and the people we surround ourselves with while enjoying the activity we all love are actually fit and proper even if the police believe they are.

This might ruffle some feathers, it'd be fine with me if we had to go through some form of a mental health check every few years to ensure beyond unreasonable doubt that I, you, we are stable enough to hold a firearms licence.
I'd rather do this than see the sport I love be eroded anymore largely because people are too pig headed to talk to an expert about the demons in their head.

This one sounds like a community fail. There is plenty in the media already about his shooting habits, his behaviour and the whole lot of nothing that anyone did about it. Will be interesting to know if he was licensed or had an illegal firearm.

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Firearms licence or not, people hellbent on hurting others always find a way.

Originally Posted by Feral

This one sounds like a community fail. There is plenty in the media already about his shooting habits, his behaviour and the whole lot of nothing that anyone did about it. Will be interesting to know if he was licensed or had an illegal firearm.

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I completely agree with you. However if we were to make this an issue about the mental health system failing the guy (which it is) shooting is toast. Put it this way, the average non gun punter would look at it and think "What's easier, fixing the nation's mental health, or banning firearms?" I know what will be picked and they'll go ahead fix the problem not the cause of the issue, like they always do, because its easy not because its the right thing to do.

I see a friend has now come forward saying he had severe depression etc.

Originally Posted by Ryan

Firearms licence or not, people hellbent on hurting others always find a way.

Agreed Ryan, but I think it drags law abiding firearms owners under closer scrutiny if he was a license holder.

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Originally Posted by Feral

Agreed Ryan, but I think it drags law abiding firearms owners under closer scrutiny if he was a license holder.

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Touché

Apparently he admitted to friends the arms were "imported" somehow.

Latest I heard, the vast armoury was..... 2 long guns.

Will be intresting to see guns wouldnt have melted to nothing so they should be able to see just how many he had

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Illegal firearms in NZ "significant concern" for police

Listen to that. If that doesn't sound like agenda, I don't know what does.

i heard he had some kind of dirty bomb, and a friken laser beam.
ban guns

Originally Posted by 40mm

i heard he had some kind of dirty bomb, and a friken laser beam.
ban guns

Better ban people.

What a fu_k_n joke....When the interviewer asks Chris Cahill what is legal and what is not and what should someone do when they hear "Automatic Weapon fire" (3:15sec) at rabbits is that legal....He misses that opportunity to ban machine guns (Already cannot be fired) and then goes on to state that "Normal person who has a shotgun or hunting rifle can only possess limited rifles, other people have specialist category licenses and they can have semi automatic weapons." (3:30sec) {Clearly not the case}

This is followed by "Tell us the kinds of illegal weapons coming into this country then" (4.50sec) and " Is the suggestion that he had grenades? Is that credible?" Cahill replies that he has not heard one way or the other "But the varieties of weapons coming into the country is very wide and a lot of these weapons are imported legally under special category licences, but it's when they are stolen from licensed owners that they end up in the hands of criminals, or people that aren't licensed. That's the real concern"" But the icing on the cake is he calls for an outright ban on Semi automatic weapons like Australia did after Port Arthur, then says at (6:57sec) "We're happy to listen to the other side of arguments around firearms but we want to be convinced that there is a need for them in New Zealand, I'm not so sure "

I call bullshit right there: He has never listened to reason before, what makes anyone believe he will now???????

The law in New Zealand does not REQUIRE a Need. And he openly admitted that in the hands of law abiding firearms owners there is not an issue.

The NZ police admitted that its officers dont have the resources to KNOW NZ law around firearms. Well this just got proven by their head of the Association also NOT KNOWING New Zealand firearms law......

For what its worth, the resources for Police to know the current law, is in my view, one thing that has to happen.

The whangarei police supp said on one news they found 2 firearms in the burnt out housenothing else.So much for the bullshit the stuff reporter said about large cache of rifles pistols grenades and thousands of rounds of ammo.A tragedy all the same lots of hurting families condolences to all

Originally Posted by Mauser308

2 firearms next to the deceased... Reliable eye witness accounts of more arms and grenades so at the mo before fingers get pointed its a waiting game until the final report. Latest announcement from the Police is that they did in fact visit the property regarding the construction of an illegal structure for the purposes of target shooting - this in the month prior to the incident. Police and Customs also have no knowledge of importation of any arms products so fair to say much more to come...

Thanks for that, interesting to know