Northland Shooting

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...hland-shooting

Not good, not good at all, thoughts go out to the families.

Not sure if anyone knew the guy, but by the sounds of it seems like he was a bit unstable.

Any man or woman for that matter can crack given the right circumstances, and there will always be the outliers but reckon as shooters we need to do more to ensure we and the people we surround ourselves with while enjoying the activity we all love are actually fit and proper even if the police believe they are.

This might ruffle some feathers, it'd be fine with me if we had to go through some form of a mental health check every few years to ensure beyond unreasonable doubt that I, you, we are stable enough to hold a firearms licence.
I'd rather do this than see the sport I love be eroded anymore largely because people are too pig headed to talk to an expert about the demons in their head.

This one sounds like a community fail. There is plenty in the media already about his shooting habits, his behaviour and the whole lot of nothing that anyone did about it. Will be interesting to know if he was licensed or had an illegal firearm.

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Firearms licence or not, people hellbent on hurting others always find a way.

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Originally Posted by Feral

This one sounds like a community fail. There is plenty in the media already about his shooting habits, his behaviour and the whole lot of nothing that anyone did about it. Will be interesting to know if he was licensed or had an illegal firearm.

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I completely agree with you. However if we were to make this an issue about the mental health system failing the guy (which it is) shooting is toast. Put it this way, the average non gun punter would look at it and think "What's easier, fixing the nation's mental health, or banning firearms?" I know what will be picked and they'll go ahead fix the problem not the cause of the issue, like they always do, because its easy not because its the right thing to do.

I see a friend has now come forward saying he had severe depression etc.

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Originally Posted by Ryan

Firearms licence or not, people hellbent on hurting others always find a way.

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Agreed Ryan, but I think it drags law abiding firearms owners under closer scrutiny if he was a license holder.

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Agreed Ryan, but I think it drags law abiding firearms owners under closer scrutiny if he was a license holder.

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Touché

Apparently he admitted to friends the arms were "imported" somehow.

Latest I heard, the vast armoury was..... 2 long guns.

Will be intresting to see guns wouldnt have melted to nothing so they should be able to see just how many he had

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Illegal firearms in NZ "significant concern" for police

Listen to that. If that doesn't sound like agenda, I don't know what does.

i heard he had some kind of dirty bomb, and a friken laser beam.
ban guns

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Originally Posted by 40mm

i heard he had some kind of dirty bomb, and a friken laser beam.
ban guns

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Better ban people.

What a fu_k_n joke....When the interviewer asks Chris Cahill what is legal and what is not and what should someone do when they hear "Automatic Weapon fire" (3:15sec) at rabbits is that legal....He misses that opportunity to ban machine guns (Already cannot be fired) and then goes on to state that "Normal person who has a shotgun or hunting rifle can only possess limited rifles, other people have specialist category licenses and they can have semi automatic weapons." (3:30sec) {Clearly not the case}

This is followed by "Tell us the kinds of illegal weapons coming into this country then" (4.50sec) and " Is the suggestion that he had grenades? Is that credible?" Cahill replies that he has not heard one way or the other "But the varieties of weapons coming into the country is very wide and a lot of these weapons are imported legally under special category licences, but it's when they are stolen from licensed owners that they end up in the hands of criminals, or people that aren't licensed. That's the real concern"" But the icing on the cake is he calls for an outright ban on Semi automatic weapons like Australia did after Port Arthur, then says at (6:57sec) "We're happy to listen to the other side of arguments around firearms but we want to be convinced that there is a need for them in New Zealand, I'm not so sure "

I call bullshit right there: He has never listened to reason before, what makes anyone believe he will now???????

The law in New Zealand does not REQUIRE a Need. And he openly admitted that in the hands of law abiding firearms owners there is not an issue.

The NZ police admitted that its officers dont have the resources to KNOW NZ law around firearms. Well this just got proven by their head of the Association also NOT KNOWING New Zealand firearms law......

For what its worth, the resources for Police to know the current law, is in my view, one thing that has to happen.

The whangarei police supp said on one news they found 2 firearms in the burnt out housenothing else.So much for the bullshit the stuff reporter said about large cache of rifles pistols grenades and thousands of rounds of ammo.A tragedy all the same lots of hurting families condolences to all

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Originally Posted by Mauser308

2 firearms next to the deceased... Reliable eye witness accounts of more arms and grenades so at the mo before fingers get pointed its a waiting game until the final report. Latest announcement from the Police is that they did in fact visit the property regarding the construction of an illegal structure for the purposes of target shooting - this in the month prior to the incident. Police and Customs also have no knowledge of importation of any arms products so fair to say much more to come...

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Thanks for that, interesting to know

I heard today he had been visited by the police recently and showed the officer his shooting range. Wouldn't that raise the alarm if he's not licensed?

Yes you would think the Police would background check him. Seems like I was wrong @Maca49

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Originally Posted by Boowacker

I heard today he had been visited by the police recently and showed the officer his shooting range. Wouldn't that raise the alarm if he's not licensed?

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I guess that may have required both though and common sense simultaneously.

More seriously if this gentlemen did indeed import grenades (assuming that's genuine fact) and other restricted firearms
Then it would seem there i a far bigger issue in that criminals may have found a way to circumvent customs mind you with the a mount of meth which seems to get thru according to reports in the newspapers maybe we should not be surprised I guess
If he forged the paperwork to buy them "thru proper channels" then how did they slip thru the cracks of checks and balances
This is/was a bloody tragedy and it seems "everyone" knew something but no one did anything

Personally I think there is a lot more to come out if its ever released

This all comes back to appropriate sentencing. You simply can't catch every illegal import, every illegal firearm, every kilo of meth. The only way to get a handle on it is to sort out the joke consequences being doled out. Keeping 20,000-30,000 dropkicks in a continuous cycle in and out of jail plainly isn't working. Fucking useless wonks in the judiciary playing games with the rest of us. Some are even refusing to use the 3 strikes thing, as it's "too harsh".

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Yes you would think the Police would background check him. Seems like I was wrong @Maca49

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@stug I'm at an age where I think the worse of most things. Seems today no one tells the truth, including the police, just to cover their arse. Gone are the days of being able to haul someone in and give them a hard time. Everybody has rights and this PC world is happy with that.
I'm close to an ex Detective who solved some gruesome cases, shit I would have hated to be one on one with him.
The worse thing is we destroyed the mental health structure, because of mis treatment and rights. It's a shame we didn't just fix it and help these people survive or get well. We have walked away from them!
I'm very lucky to have a great family that looks after and supports each other, but I have become fairly unfeeling about those that cause grief, I have tightened my circle to those friends I care for and those I love and can help.
There's so much tradegy in the world that I cannot take responsibility for. I get weekly phone calls from those strangers wanted my money I answer is no!
Someone in govt has to hardened up a put it right and forget about votes!
I feel better now:)

Looks like you and I are on the same page there @Maca49.
I've done the same thing. The only charity's I give to are the air ambulance, the life boats, and return service association!
All of this of course helps people in my back yard not some others.
Remember Ethiopia? Starving kids..before my time it was Biafra...it's still going on.
One of the things that really made me change was seeing on the docks in Mombasa the officials selling on containers of charity clothes while the NGOs stood by and took a cut!

Unfortunately your never going to be able to stop everyone who's screw becomes wobbly, it's been said before.
That's one of the things that I do like about the NZ licensing system. That they take our family away and ask them if your ok!
I think that this is one of the reasons that we have not had more mass shootings than we have had in NZ.

So yes the big question to now ask is how he got the guns and ammunition!
Why if visited by police did they not ask for a license?

Some of these answers are going to be harder to find as a lot of the evidence has gone up in smoke.

Sounds like the guys on the ground that day did an amazing job trying to reach the victims.

Yep @Sideshow you're on to it, I think our licensing system is fine, I think we may have lost to many old heads from the police force and put to many immigrants with their own ways in.
The govt needs to sort the street dwellers and harden up on crime
It's a sad world at present.

Quinn Patterson's TradeMe gun deals: Vital clues missed before Northland Shooting rampage - NZ Herald

"Patterson's online trades included selling parts synonymous with sniper rifles" = a Ncstar scope

"...and fittings for an AK47 which would allow a shooter to rapidly swap out a magazine full of bullets with the flick of a finger" = a magazine release

"There was also a shotgun stock which would create a pistol-grip weapon " = ? What the fuck is a pistol grip weapon? Probably a stock for an 870...

"...a fitting to which laser and optical sights could be fitted." = a picatinny rail

"A "Monte Carlo" stock was also sold - the non-metal part of a rifle in a style designed to hold scoped sights." WTF?



Another McDonald's quality hyperbole laden "editorial" from the Herald...

Here we go could be a perfect target for a judge to set an example
https://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/loc...ads-not-guilty

That article has changed a lot since you pulled those quotes out

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That article has changed a lot since you pulled those quotes out

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The Herald one

Yea interesting aye seems 2 conflicting storeys the first one says he was buying guns of TM rite up until the shooting .