Thread: not again

The book will get thrown at the guy that pulled the trigger, the point that never gets made is how many calls to the authorities the farmer made in the years leading up to this to try to get the issue sorted.

A lot of times these situations descend into a he said/he said in a courtroom long after the actual event that caused the issue has passed from memory for the general public - and there's going to be a lot of courtroom and lawyer drama here I feel. Probably a self defence argument and a few other things that the powers that be don't like will be brought up and I suspect that this will be a case that might set quite a precedent. Not very good for anyone involved especially at this time of year.

Originally Posted by No.3

The book will get thrown at the guy that pulled the trigger, the point that never gets made is how many calls to the authorities the farmer made in the years leading up to this to try to get the issue sorted.

A lot of times these situations descend into a he said/he said in a courtroom long after the actual event that caused the issue has passed from memory for the general public - and there's going to be a lot of courtroom and lawyer drama here I feel. Probably a self defence argument and a few other things that the powers that be don't like will be brought up and I suspect that this will be a case that might set quite a precedent. Not very good for anyone involved especially at this time of year.

The newshub report from 7 years ago (on YouTube) will go some way to demonstrate that this is a long standing issue and the police have done nothing after all his reports.
Shooting someone is never justified, but many years of this have obviously culminated in the inevitable - something the police should have seen as a likely outcome

Originally Posted by No.3

The book will get thrown at the guy that pulled the trigger, the point that never gets made is how many calls to the authorities the farmer made in the years leading up to this to try to get the issue sorted.

A lot of times these situations descend into a he said/he said in a courtroom long after the actual event that caused the issue has passed from memory for the general public - and there's going to be a lot of courtroom and lawyer drama here I feel. Probably a self defence argument and a few other things that the powers that be don't like will be brought up and I suspect that this will be a case that might set quite a precedent. Not very good for anyone involved especially at this time of year.

unless he was out shooting rabbits he'd have a hard time convincing someone that going back for a firearm then returning is self defence

Untill the findings are released I think it's best not to speculate. That's for the courts to decide and sadly one person has lost their life.

how long will it be after police crime scene guard leaves before the local scum deal to his stock .

Originally Posted by m101a1

how long will it be after police crime scene guard leaves before the local scum deal to his stock .

Stock being wild pigs that he fed

Reminds me of a farmer up north (I think) that was constantly getting gear stolen, he fired a shotgun in their direction and someone got hit (not fataly as far as I remember-but I could be wrong). The farmer had to move to Oz & his land wouldn't sell because it was make known that the next owner would be a target of the same scum.

As already said, shit show for all involved

I think the term Farmer is being rather over used in this case,

Originally Posted by Pengy

I think the term Farmer is being rather over used in this case,

It's still Invasion of Private Property, Armed Trespass, call it what you will but it is way past Breaking & Entering or a Burglary definition. This is "Entitled" Behaviour in the extreme and the consequences for that entitlement have been extreme. Regardless whether he's a Farmer or not, that could be any one of us on any given day and Home Owners/Property Owners should Not have to put up with it. The End.

Is there a legal threshold on the definition between stock vs wild animals? Gotta be yes? Not that it effects this situation of course.

Originally Posted by T.FOYE

Is there a legal threshold on the definition between stock vs wild animals? Gotta be yes? Not that it effects this situation of course.

I believe that there is. My memory of it is vague so will leave others to comment.
GPM.

A pretty grim reminder of what poaching can entail

After coursing the community groups it seems he had recently been harassed by some mobsters known for poaching his animals and staunching him out, compounded with the rest of his issues with locals running his pigs down and the general poaching seems the old gent simply had enough of nothing being done and seeing another pig in the process of being taken was the last straw.

That is speculation from the coromandel community page on Facebook and shouldn’t be taken as word, but it certainly provides the catalyst for an event like this.

I can only imagine the frustration of going to the police time and time again and nothing ever being done and being continuously humiliated by poachers and vandals, and having to literally clean up the insides after them.

Ultimately unfortunate that life or lives have been lost, it’s never ideal, or the outcome anyone should anticipate but clearly it had been brewing for a while over some years.

Seems he’s already been charged


Also another example of NZ police’s gold standard reactive policing, you’d think they’d have learned by now.

There seems to be a theme here that what ever happened is justifiable or was inevitable. Really??
As an ordinary citizen and a lawful gun owner that notion sickens me.

Originally Posted by Tahr

There seems to be a theme here that what ever happened is justifiable or was inevitable. Really??
As an ordinary citizen and a lawful gun owner that notion sickens me.

My take on this for what it's worth. And I'll be clear that my opinion can change as more info is made available.

Ive watched the piece on this guy and his pigs from 2018 and its clear there has been a long standing issue and that members of the public were helping and looking after him.
That the poaching has and was considered to be almost a jail sentence for him it was so extreme.

Without making a comment on what's gone on in the last days. I feel there is a failure in community policing in the area that has allowed a well know situation to escalate too this point.

Originally Posted by Tahr

There seems to be a theme here that what ever happened is justifiable or was inevitable. Really??
As an ordinary citizen and a lawful gun owner that notion sickens me.

"All the pheasants ever bred won't repay one man dead" . . . Not an exact parallel but no animal is worth 3 lives lost/ruined.

Hunters/Firearms owners have a special duty to understand the value of life versus property (even livestock)