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Dealt with appropriatly by the looks. Well done to the boys in blue. I wonder if the haters will start up on the police over this one too.
Yeah they should probably have tried to sit down to a happy meal with him.
If they shot an armed bloke in a public place they most likely saved one or more innocent lives, but like you implied, some idiots won't see it that way.
Someone earned his police wage today and good on you.
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FFS, more fuel for the anti gun brigade.
quite a few on this forum , are not exactly pro-police , ... will proberly say they should have just opened a gate and he would have gone in of his own accord ....tongue in cheek
Great job done in my opinion, police got it right! Present a firearm and give away your right to life, is pretty black and white in my book. Always feel a bit of sadness for the guy that had to do the job, :(
The cops went to work, did what they were trained for and went home in one piece.
Condolences to family and friends of the deceased. Fortunately toll was only one and no innocent bystanders
But the media is going to say 'why did he have access to a firearm ?'
We need tighter gun laws, etc..
That will wipe the smile off his Happy meal, if yah don't want to get shot don't wave guns at Police.
From what I can conclude from the story, getting shot was exactly what he wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by oneshot
Yes your right
Yes, it will be interesting to see if, indeed he held a FAL.... Bloody silly thing to do.. I believe the Police acted appropriately. As I told my daughter on the way home from school, we should be thankful that at least our boys in blue ask first, then shoot, not like they do in the U.S., where its shot first then ask..
It's been reported that he'd been denied from the army due to his criminal record. License is looking unlikelyQuote:
Originally Posted by misha2001
He got what he asked for. Fries with that hot lead meal?
My thoughts go out to the family of the deceased, and especially to the frontline police officer now facing months if not years of investigation and review.
wonder did he get the option of upsizing it
Already bleeding hearts reporting he was about to give up.
What if he kills or injures a few people while covered by police and cops say oh we were sure he was about to give up........ Yeah right.
He took a firearm and waved it around and discharged it in a public place.
He dictated how he was to be controlled by putting police on the spot and forcing them to make real time, life changing decisions.
They did what they were employed to do. End of story.
Reasoning and piss weak people with bleeding hearts lost all and any say the moment he brought a firearm into a public place and was using it in a threatening manner.
Stupid frigging people.
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And Kevin Clements has reared his head again - "Let's do what Australia does", "register all firearms" blah blah...
New Zealand's gun laws 'need to be tougher' - expert - National - NZ Herald News
Yup Australian gun laws have stopped all firearms related crimes there eh?
For a professor he is pretty stupid or just plain obtuse.
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I'm disappointed the media prints such rubbish, surely they should be liable for spreading misinformation.Quote:
Originally Posted by R93
And so the rhetoric begins - "there is a firearms problem in new zealand"
https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-...nz-q09707.html
LoL, 1.45 gun deaths per 100 000 according to Wiki (don't know how out of date these stats are, don't have time to go deeper right now) does not suggest a "firearms problem". "One swallow does not not a summer make".Quote:
Originally Posted by scottrods
especially to the frontline police officer now facing months if not years of investigation and review.[/QUOTE]
No offence EBF, but they take on the consequences when they volunteer to take on the responsibility of pulling the trigger.....just saying....'if you cant stand the heat......'
Wondering if O'Connor said that or whether that's what the media wanted him to say. He's generally been supportive of legit gun owners.
Makes for bloody great blow job thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Ryan
Scouser - I don't think any police officer in NZ wakes up looking forward to having to do what one had to yesterday... In fact, if you look at the amount of turmoil that goes on in any officer involved in a shooting, it surprises me that they pull the trigger at all. It affects not just that cop, but his wife and children, his immediate colleagues etc. Very few jobs around where the stakes are that high. Ask any cop and they will tell you a good day is when EVERYBODY (including the offender) is alive and well at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scouser
EBF I totally agree with you, i worded my reply hopefully with tact, but if you are going to accept that position of responsibility im sure im correct in assuming they give the officers the full consequences of their actions and the inevitable emotion aftermath....Quote:
Originally Posted by ebf
otherwise the hierarchy are not doing their job properly....same for Fire/Police officers picking up body parts on the motorway ect.....my mates a Fireman, he's told me some horrific tales from the job....
thats my point, dont pull the trigger unless you are 100% certain there was no other course of action....hope this explains my post better....somebody has to do it, unfortunately!!!!!
The cbd was totally locked down on my way into Wellington from uppers last night, sad day indeed. For everyone involed. Can't begin to imagine how the cop who did the deed must feel.
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I wonder if he was licensed...?
It states he had a criminal record... so maybe not...
Unfortunately Stumpy they keep voting for Greg O'Connor.Quote:
Originally Posted by stumpy
"Greg is a Senior Sergeant in Police, seconded full time to the Association National Office. Elected to the position in 1995, Greg is the longest serving President in the Association's history. Following the Police Association's 2013 Annual Conference, Greg was reappointed for a further term through to 2016."
The front line Police don't necessarily agree with his nonsense but it is a dangerous precedent when the Police actively campaign to change laws. That is the essence of a Police State.
Now every time something happens we have this to look forward to.
On the other hand i don't blame them in the slightest for shooting him. I would have done the same. It's the blaming the firearms/firearm law part that doesn't get any respect.
Back in uppers, everything is still taped off and cops still hanging around. Seems a little unnecessary
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I am "nobody" to try to explain what have happened, I read the posts where is said "they are trained for it", but, is a shot in a fatal area of the body really necessary? I understand that he could shoot anywhere/everywhere at any giving time but them, do the police have a specialised "armed offence squad" when it is needed or only when is possible to call for backup from Auckland?
Would a "SWAT" kind of team be a bit more appropriate to deal with?(I know, time was in the cops favour).
Check this video link, it is old but I think it was a great final.
http://youtu.be/-4-9WdwF9EI
My thoughts and condolences to the family of the victim, to the officer who had the mis pleasure and his family and friends my honest support.
Mac
Cops (like firefighters) are expected/required, when shit hits the fan, to go into the thick of it when people are running away and have to deal with the situation.
It is not a knee jerk reaction. They are given the skills through extensive training which is constantly reassessed and up skilled. That together with the tools they are trained to use are required to take control of the situation and save lives.
Unfortunately cops don't get to put their training into practice and are thrown in the deep end with no warning when it happens
I am very pro police , and believe our officers should be armed at all times , I am also pro armed forces and believe they should be deployed more around the world to fight as well as rebuild ,...hindsight always has the luxury of time ,its always easy to sit back and say , shoulda coulda woulda .... but until you are faced with the end of a barrel in your work capacity you will never know the thinking or decision making that goes into the shot ..... I would have loved to join the police instead of the fire service almost 20 years ago , the dog handlers on tv , look like they have the best fun ....ps , I also want concealed carry ...no I don't want to live in the states
Firearms are lethal force. Nothing less. There is not shoot to wound or shoot to kill, there is only shoot to neutralize the threat. If you shoot somebody when killing them isn't necessary, it's excessive use of force.Quote:
Originally Posted by PERRISCICABA
Seen the article on the news tonight . I thought it was interesting how many guns where stolen a year 900 . That's insane , they didn't say how many they recover ? , but put that over 10 - 20 years that's unbelievable . I did Google the 900 guns and it's right according to article on the web
just had a crack at the resident fucktards on the TM message boards .This clown JCMP-resident anticop knowall-pity he wasnt shot onto a hot tin fence and left to dry in the sun.
youre right-blaming firearms laws etc etc is just bloody simplistic and oh so easy for lazyarsed polis and academics.,theres a hell of a lot more to it than that.
its high time the judiciary stood up and did their bit by coming down bloody hard on the traders&users of illegal firearms,and up what some high paid bloody lawyer says.
no shaggin about -any sniff of illegal firearms -wham 3 strike status youre off on a long holiday my son and its whole of sentence no fucking parole. fuck the bill or rights too in this case -you use an illegal firearm in an antisocial manner you forfeit all protections -bit like killin mossies with a shotgun -VERY FUCKING EFFECTIVE makes ya think twice,and hope ya wankin technique is spot on,cause itll be a long time before you ever get to play on her indoors front lawn again,but dont be suprised if one of ya spotty herbert bros isnt soon havin a dabble.
the voter sucking john howard and his firearms laws in aussie -fat lot of fucking good that did .i read somewhere recently theres dealers smuggling all sorts of illicit arms into aussie and selling them on the "dark web"
One factor is (I believe) that property crime isn't taken seriously enough. That's three firearms a day being nicked! Recidivist burglars are a menace and cost the rest of us far too much. Jail is a revolving door, I reckon if we double the sentences, we halve the crime. It's a fucking joke otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munsey
I certianly do not think our fellow NZers should be extensively deployed around the world getting shot at, injured and killed, it should be a rare occurrence. I dont see the need for concealed carry, sure ppl such as yourself may well be 100% safe 100% of the time but frankly many ppl would not be safe, either from carelessness eg gun in handbag or "boiling blood" eg car accident.Quote:
Originally Posted by stumpy
I don't have the answers, surprisingly nor to the Yanks. Their gun laws are a lot more liberal than ours and their sentencing way harsher.