Really wish the media would stop referring to every armed incident involving some dude holed up somewhere as a "siege". It's not a siege - Stalingrad, now that was a siege.
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Really wish the media would stop referring to every armed incident involving some dude holed up somewhere as a "siege". It's not a siege - Stalingrad, now that was a siege.
The injury to the hand is not a self shooting, all will come out in the wash.Quote:
Originally Posted by sako75
How long does it take to drive from Papakura to Kawerau? Should have been over by now. ;)
Unfortunately the use of those highly skilled resources cannot be done within NZ in these situations. But certainly agree this would be the right time to misinterpret these laws.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daggers_187
I thought there was a whole squadron there for dealing with "domestic terrorism."Quote:
Originally Posted by Uplandstalker
Yes, but domestic terrorism still needs to be politically motivated, not some dude protecting his dope plantation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daggers_187
Yea you're right, they should probably just hide behind trees instead of trying to mitigate the risk of having more cops shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by foxhound
He's been arrested. Well done to all the lads and ladettes in blue, and all other services involved.
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looks like there has been an outcome, arrested. This is much better than other possible outcomes. Police following SOP's i suspect, where little risk to public safety given the location.
Good works lads and gals, Link?Quote:
Originally Posted by stretch
https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=nzpolice
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I feel for the St Johns staff that put on the body armor and move into the area. I know the likelihood of them being injured is very, very low, but still requires a special mindset that is different to why they got into the industry/service.
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Definitely a very foreign situation for them, they would be in the outer cordon or further out still.
"The family of the gunman accused of shooting four police officers in an armed stand-off say they are frustrated at being left out of police efforts to end the siege.
The family’s spokeswoman Ripeke Lessels said the whanau were notified that an incident was unfolding at their Bay of Plenty home yesterday just after 2pm.
“It’s been traumatic being in a position that the whanau believe could have been avoided had the police taken some time to find another way that may have included Tikanga Maori and the whanau involvement,” she said."
Fuck off. I hope he got ripped to shreds by a dog or three.
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Rhys Warren, 27, is suspected of shooting four police officers. His family had earlier said a police Maori liaison officer had entered the cordon, assisted by the armed forces, to convince him to give himself up.
This is not the first time that our military have been involved in a citizen type situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by foxhound
I wasn't aware that NZ's military could be used in civilian type internal situations???? Can anyone clarify on the legality of this use????
It seems to be sneaking into our enforcement scenes & is a scenario from " Sleeping Dogs" movie which is a bit scary for the rest of us firearm owners if things generally turned to custard,eh????:o AND: where did 4x LAV's suddenly turn up from???? It's a long way from Waiouru & it would need at least 2x Hercs if they didn't break down ( again!!)
From the defence act 1990
9 Use of Armed Forces to provide public service or assist civil power
(1)
Subject to the succeeding provisions of this section, the Armed Forces may be used in New Zealand or elsewhere—
(a)
to perform any public service; or
(b)
to provide assistance to the civil power in time of emergency.
(2)
No part of the Armed Forces shall be used to provide any public service in connection with an industrial dispute except in accordance with the written authority of the Minister, and that authority shall specify the part or parts of the Armed Forces that may be used and the public service or public services that may be provided.
(3)
No part of the Armed Forces shall be used to provide assistance to the civil power in the circumstances described in paragraphs (a) and (b) of subsection (4) except in accordance with an authority given by the Prime Minister or another Minister under that subsection.
(4)
Where the Prime Minister or, if the Prime Minister is unavailable, the next most senior Minister available is satisfied, on information supplied by the Commissioner of Police or a Deputy Commissioner of Police,—
(a)
either—
(i)
that there is in New Zealand an emergency in which one or more persons are threatening to kill or seriously injure, or are causing or attempting to cause the death of or serious injury to, any other person, or are causing or attempting to cause the destruction of or serious damage to any property; or
(ii)
that such an emergency is imminent; and
(b)
that the emergency cannot be dealt with by the Police without the assistance of members of the Armed Forces exercising powers that are available to constables,—
the Prime Minister or the other Minister may authorise any part of the Armed Forces so to assist the Police in dealing with the emergency.
(5)
Every part of the Armed Forces that is assisting the Police in accordance with an authority given under subsection (4) shall act at the request of the constable who is in charge of the operations in respect of the emergency.
(6)
Every member of any such part of the Armed Forces—
(a)
may, for any purpose necessary to assist the Police in dealing with the emergency, exercise any power of a constable; and
(b)
shall, for the purposes of civil and criminal liability, have the protections of a constable, in addition to all other protections that the member of the Armed Forces may have.
(7)
The Minister of Defence or the Prime Minister or other Minister granting any authority under subsection (2) or subsection (4) shall inform the House of Representatives, forthwith if the House is then sitting or at the earliest practicable time if it is not, that the authority has been given and of the reasons for giving it, and, if the authority was given in writing, shall lay a copy of it before the House.
(8)
Any authority given under subsection (2) or subsection (4) shall lapse on the expiration of 14 days after the day on which it was given unless—
(a)
the House of Representatives passes a resolution extending the authority for such period as is specified in the resolution; or
(b)
if Parliament was dissolved or had expired before or after the authority was given and has not been summoned to meet before the authority would lapse, the Governor-General, being satisfied that it is necessary to extend the authority, extends it by Proclamation approved in Executive Council for such period as is specified in the Proclamation.
So yes. .....?
Oh good I'm glad we have cleared that up :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by stug
Nothing illegal about involving the NZDF. There's clear rules about who is in charge, and for any form of civil unrest, it's the police. No one kicks up a stink if the NZDF assists during disaster relief (in NZ, or abroad), or provides cordons in Chch after the earthquake, or mans the prisons during industrial action, but if they assist the police, people lose their minds and thinks there's a conspiracy.
Waiouru is only about 4hrs from Kawerau, even for a LAV. Who knows, they may have been closer, distributing 1080 around the place, as part of a wider conspiracy. ;)
2hrs from Kawerau
We should paint a couple of LAVs blue and sell them to the police.
As pointed out, yes the military can legally assist civilian needs - happens all the time with SAR and Civil Defence. No, it's not like Sleeping Dogs where that was a fictional movie about a Police State. Legislation is pretty clear on when and how they can be rolled out. No it's not scary for us firearm owners if things turn to custard, because they won't. Unless you're obsessively paranoid. LAV's were based in Waiouru.Quote:
Originally Posted by top gun
No laws were broken, NZDF has assisted before. Not quite, NZLAV were from Linton as part of the QRF that is always on standby.Quote:
LAV's were based in Waiouru.
Ahh, my bad.
O just read on stuff that "He was afraid of being shot". I'm sorry but I was bought up to treat people how you would like to be treated.!
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Totally agree about Greg O'Connor, on TV 1 banging on about gun control, bet this offender doesn't have a licence. The more he rants I think the more people turn off.
The answer I'd like is how after the AOS was called in (according to some reports to be fair) to deal with shots fired at a plane/copter, did 1 civilian in a house get the drop on four highly trained elite armed tactics driven officers?
I gather again from reports today, 1 shotgun and maybe a .22.
Would Greg O' C answer this or any other question this morning on TV NO NOT A BAR OF IT, just banging on about firearm control.
BLOODY HELL!!!
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Someone may already have asked??? but did this poor misunderstood chap have a firearms licence???????????
1:1000 odds that he didn't,eh ???? But will that piece of info be made clear to our loving public???????? NOOOOOOOOOOOOO. We'll all be lumped in together as potential homicidal maniacs, as always happens.:pissed off:
I've asked Richard Prosser ( NZ First) to ask a question in Parliament to that end and to demand a straight answer from the minister of police. IF there is a response?? I'll keep you posted.
Having been to jail for assaulting a dog ranger it's probably safe to assume he doesn't have a FAL.
Yes I'm sure you're spot on but I bet neither the press nor the police will make a definitive statement telling our loving public that the poor chap was illegally in possession of firearms WITHOUT a firearms licence,eh????:omg: Which is why I have asked NZ First to "ask-the-question" & then it is in hansard & on the public record.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew46826
How did they get to Kawerau so quickly and why more than one IF there were up to 4 of them???? Bit of an overkill for one silly lad with short range 30-40m shotgun,eh??????Quote:
Originally Posted by Kscott
Every time I see O'Connor or hear him it makes me think retroactive abortion might be a good idea. I wonder if the average bluebottle is happy with him being their mouth piece?
...and one doesn't find themselves in the slammer for 'assault' either. Would have been a fucken hammering.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andrew46826
Yes I agree, BUT you have to feel sorry for the plonker 'cos " he doesn't know how crims get hold of illegal firearms,eh????" which was the start of the TV3 bullshit!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
GRRRRRRRRR!!!!!:pissed off:
That'll be the 'Q' in QRF. It's the pedal on the right. Do you have a timeline of when they were requested, and when they arrived?Quote:
Originally Posted by top gun
They don't go anywhere in smaller groups than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by top gun
Nope. He'd just shot several AOS officers.Quote:
Originally Posted by top gun
Yeah but come on Danny. The poor chap landed on his head when he was: spat out of the womb eh & has had a deeply misunderstood youth until he found the salvation of growing and marketting electric puha. Ya gotta have some compassion eh????:ORLY:Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny
Mobilised in the 2009 Napier Jan Molenaar shootings.Quote:
Originally Posted by mawzer308
Greg O,C going on about too many firearms, just so happens more and more law abiding citizens are getting into hunting and shooting sports so DUH of course they will be buying a firearm or two with there new licence. Go after the gangs and crims guns and leave us law abiding VOTERS alone.
Glad you can see into the future, because the rest of us humans out there sure as fuck can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kscott
ShutupQuote:
Originally Posted by Jexla
