Thread: OUCH

Well if one of Kotuku's patients dies because he for instance decided to play poker all night instead of doing his rounds, or farm labourer dies because the boss made them use a tractor that he knew was unsafe, they would have the book thrown at them... No difference really.

The moment police detain someone, they become responsible for that person's wellbeing.

Originally Posted by ebf

Well if one of Kotuku's patients dies because he for instance decided to play poker all night instead of doing his rounds, or farm labourer dies because the boss made them use a tractor that he knew was unsafe, they would have the book thrown at them... No difference really.

The moment police detain someone, they become responsible for that person's wellbeing.

exfucking xcactly and i was nearly killed along with a cop in greymouth when a mad cow wanted to kill herself and I stopped her .Ive seen more fucking suicides and horrible deaths than a lot of people have had hot feeds and I still have nightmares at times wondering if i could have done more to prevent it .Believe me having the Health&Disability commissioner grabbing your nut sack is no fun -yes he wanted me over the latest suicide i was involved in -I politely told em to fuck off they had my nursing notes and written statement.
alas people in NZ are totally ignorant of the number of medical people whove become casualties due to the reslt at all cost HDCpricks -two colleagues of mine suicided due to this annd i never forgive of forget .

Originally Posted by ebf

Well if one of Kotuku's patients dies because he for instance decided to play poker all night instead of doing his rounds, or farm labourer dies because the boss made them use a tractor that he knew was unsafe, they would have the book thrown at them... No difference really.

The moment police detain someone, they become responsible for that person's wellbeing.

Correct, police have not got a hard and fast legal responsibility for citizens' wellbeing, but they do have a definite duty of care to people in their custody. Has happened before, diabetic with hypo smells of ketones, throwing himself around as confused, arrested and "smells like alcohol", thrown in a cell to sober up, wakes up dead.

Originally Posted by Cordite

Correct, police have not got a hard and fast legal responsibility for citizens' wellbeing, but they do have a definite duty of care to people in their custody. Has happened before, diabetic with hypo smells of ketones, throwing himself around as confused, arrested and "smells like alcohol", thrown in a cell to sober up, wakes up dead.

when you get quantity before quality ,when you get limited training in commonsense and when you have piss poor leadership structures ,the temptation to cut corners aka "familiarity breeds contempt" and a piss poor government to boot then you set up a very fertile environment for this sort of fuckup.
I have a colleague who is 99.9%certain to lose his nursing registration due to a idiotic fuckup he made as a senior member of the team in effect a shift manager.
id been in full scale restraints and shared many a tense situation with this guy in a forensic setting and elsewhere when the A team was called for -no fucking tasers pepper sprays remingtons glocks or that shit- nurses we use bare hands and a 2" 23g needle !
I happened across him and with all the decorum of a bailed boar sooled into him
he didnt say much but we did agree on one thing-what he did involved a staff member who was valued by us both-and he admitted he got a kick from it
"PRIZE CUNT" two very vulgar words but will forever be part of his personal CV
What did amaze me was his audacity to say he'd expected to see me ,as a lot of workmates actually shunned him(suprise suprise)and he thought hed get the shit kicked out of him.!
meh-matey brae a brainfart you made the bed you lay in the bastard and when ya kids ask "what happened dad" ,I hope you have the spine to tell em

Originally Posted by Cordite

Correct, police have not got a hard and fast legal responsibility for citizens' wellbeing, but they do have a definite duty of care to people in their custody. Has happened before, diabetic with hypo smells of ketones, throwing himself around as confused, arrested and "smells like alcohol", thrown in a cell to sober up, wakes up dead.

well I beg to differ -in the last 5 years both manu kaua nd chch central have deployed a team of forensically trained very experienced psychiatric nurses in their watch houses 24/7/365 and these guys often do admission assements with recommendations as to care whilst in custody or even in CHCH cases immediate transfer to hillmorton hospital.
Excuse me but i find this use of "waking up dead" offensive in this particular case.