Outdated question on the Police firearms test

Just wanted to get a general feeling form you guys on this. I know it seems silly but i feel this form that we all fill out must be absolutely flawless and clear.

I'm specifically confused on the ambiguously worded question 8 of the firearms application test. It needs to be clarified as it does not seem to make grammatical / literal sense.

8. Before a firearm is stored away, which of the following should be done?

A- check there are no rounds in the chamber and magazine.

B- remove bolt and magazine (where possible) and store these separately.

C- secure the firearms against children and theft.

D- all of the above

Main question here. What is option C??? Is it duplicating answers A + B and then implying it is something different? If this is referring to the now redundant trigger locks? I suggest think they scratch D and just make C say "both of the above" as there is no such thing as specifically securing the firearm against 'children or theft' apart from options A and B.

Technically its saying lock the firearm in your safe before storing it....

Thoughts?

Could of course change C to "Give the poor thing a decent clean so it doesn't become a rusty danger to you and everyone else"

It's a poorly worded, ambiguous question.

If you've stored your firearm away (presumably in a safe) and done A and B beforehand, to my mind, you've done C as well.

The question is poorly worded, not the answer choices.
The question would better read something like, "After use, which of the following should be done"

Option C is not duplicating A and B. B is only storing the bolt and magazine, not the rest of the firearm. A is only removing the ammunition. After doing A you could then leave the firearm on the table. C is getting you to put the firearm in a safe or similar.

Just put down ‘all of the above’ and don’t worry...

….what is the best answer: Option D - anything else in this case is incorrect.
Stop nit picking - there's other shit to worry about....

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Originally Posted by Nickoli

….what is the best answer: Option D - anything else in this case is incorrect.
Stop nit picking - there's other shit to worry about....

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But nitpicking is totally my thing haha.

Used to be an even worse one years ago.
I asked the Tok Arms Officer what is the answer for question 4?.
She gave it to me and commented it needed tidying up.

I'm not sure what is unclear about it. You should do all of A,B and C, therefore the correct answer is D

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Originally Posted by Dead is better

But nitpicking is totally my thing haha.

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How do you find time for the other shit then?:D

In every case, provide the SAFEST answer, therefore "D". Answer "C" is intended to suggest you lock the firearm away with bolt fitted, and ammo in the magazine/chamber.

Greetings All,
Agree with the consensus that the correct answer is clear. The question, or something very like it, has been in the test paper since we went to seven basic rules moons ago. Perhaps even before that. There are more important bits that need to be tidied up.
Grandpamac.

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Originally Posted by stug

C is getting you to put the firearm in a safe or similar.

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No, I disagree, because the question is

8. Before a firearm is stored away, which of the following should be done?

You cant put your firearm in the safe before you put it in your safe, it doesnt make sense.

My answer for this question would be B.

There is lot of "tongue in cheek" here. just be careful you don't bite it off.

Think im too dumb to get confused on this one

Are we supposed to be storing our bolts seperately? Wasn't an issue when I had my last check.

What about guns that don't have a removable bolt?

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Originally Posted by MB

Are we supposed to be storing our bolts seperately? Wasn't an issue when I had my last check.

What about guns that don't have a removable bolt?

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Unless it's changed, they recommend it.
However the risk of losing a bolt is not worth it. A barreled action and stock is worth very little within a bolt.

A barreled action and stock is all the low lives will get out of my safe.

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Originally Posted by Mr Browning

No, I disagree, because the question is

8. Before a firearm is stored away, which of the following should be done?

You cant put your firearm in the safe before you put it in your safe, it doesnt make sense.

My answer for this question would be B.

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Wrong.

Before the firearm is stored away, do A B and C.

Why C, imagine you are going to clean your firearm before you put it in the safe. You should ensure you do not leave it where it can be easily accessed by kids or thieves. Once you put it in the safe you don't need to worry about the kids and thieves.

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Originally Posted by vulcannz

Wrong.

Before the firearm is stored away, do A B and C.

Why C, imagine you are going to clean your firearm before you put it in the safe. You should ensure you do not leave it where it can be easily accessed by kids or thieves. Once you put it in the safe you don't need to worry about the kids and thieves.

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I agree that D is the correct answer (or at least correct in the eyes of the tester...) but Mr Browning does raise a point where the question specifically states "Before a firearm is stored" and "C" is the action of storing the firearm...Perhaps there should be an extra option

8. Before a firearm is stored away, which of the following should be done?

A- check there are no rounds in the chamber and magazine.

B- remove bolt and magazine (where possible) and store these separately.

C- secure the firearms against children and theft.

D- You should write a letter to the head of Police requesting that the person writing this should be taught proper English and a basic understanding of firearms...

E- all of the above

In which case E would be the correct answer...........:thumbsup:

@Dead is better Perhaps the way to look at these questions is not "What is the correct answer?" but rather "What answer is the testing person wanting you to pick?" All three options are requirements so that would make D the answer they want. We have to assume that in this case, more than likely the person taking the test will more often than not, know more about the subject matter than the person who skips through ticking which answer you gave without looking at the question. They will mark it from a list of correct answers that will just be a list of letters.

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Originally Posted by timattalon

@Dead is better Perhaps the way to look at these questions is not "What is the correct answer?" but rather "What answer is the testing person wanting you to pick?" All three options are requirements so that would make D the answer they want. We have to assume that in this case, more than likely the person taking the test will more often than not, know more about the subject matter than the person who skips through ticking which answer you gave without looking at the question. They will mark it from a list of correct answers that will just be a list of letters.

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And that is the art of passing exams!

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Originally Posted by timattalon

I agree that D is the correct answer (or at least correct in the eyes of the tester...) but Mr Browning does raise a point where the question specifically states "Before a firearm is stored" and "C" is the action of storing the firearm...Perhaps there should be an extra option

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No, read my reply. C is specifically not the action of storing the firearm.

It is: C- secure the firearms against children and theft. (no mention of storing it)

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Originally Posted by timattalon

@Dead is better Perhaps the way to look at these questions is not "What is the correct answer?" but rather "What answer is the testing person wanting you to pick?" All three options are requirements so that would make D the answer they want. We have to assume that in this case, more than likely the person taking the test will more often than not, know more about the subject matter than the person who skips through ticking which answer you gave without looking at the question. They will mark it from a list of correct answers that will just be a list of letters.

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D is the correct answer. The replies otherwise in this thread show people don't read the question and answers correctly.

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Originally Posted by vulcannz

No, read my reply. C is specifically not the action of storing the firearm.

It is: C- secure the firearms against children and theft. (no mention of storing it)

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Question: How do you secure your firearm against children and theft without putting it in the safe.

Put it out of sight, lock the room you've got it in, put a trigger lock on it... all sorts of different things.

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Originally Posted by Bobba

Question: How do you secure your firearm against children and theft without putting it in the safe.

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Leave the firearm out and put the children in the safe.

It confuses me, cause I don’t have any kids around? More important to me is barrel up or down and how the shit do you lock the door with the scope sticking out?

As a broken-down ex-academic, writing multi-choice questions was always the most difficult.

The basic structure was supposed to be;
One choice that was Very Wrong
One choice that was Probably Wrong
One choice that was Very Right
One choice that was sort of, but not completely right

The “all of the above” option was generally regarded as a poor option as an answer choice, academically speaking.

Multi-choice questionnaires invariably cause confusion.

Evolving syntax and use of language again confuses what might have been a commonly understood meaning.

The bottom line? Those multi-choice questions in our FAL test might not be perfect, but it’s unlikely (even if rewritten) they’ll ever be perfect.

Objectively focussed questions test the candidates knowledge of the subject being assessed. Poorly written question can easily test the candidates English comprehension, or even IQ, which is not the focus in this instance

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Originally Posted by Mr Browning

No, I disagree, because the question is

8. Before a firearm is stored away, which of the following should be done?

You cant put your firearm in the safe before you put it in your safe, it doesnt make sense.

My answer for this question would be B.

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"Stored away" does not say it is in a safe.

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Originally Posted by MB

Are we supposed to be storing our bolts seperately? Wasn't an issue when I had my last check.

What about guns that don't have a removable bolt?

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Read the question carefully: it says remove the bolt WHERE POSSIBLE.

The secret with the test is read exactly what each question says, and ALWAYS give the safest answer. The examiner has no discretion to deal with any assumptions you may offer as alternatives. There is only one correct answer for each question.

It's a question worded to give you the best chance. It's in the Arms's code that you read before you do the test.

Do you drive exatly like your instructor taught you?

No, you do that to pass the test, then you make sure your engine is off, you're in park with the handbrake applied.

A test is to test you on the knowledge standard, once you pass, it's up to you to uphold at least that.

It looks as if the question was put in before home gunsafes were compulsory but it still applies in places like a hut or camp where there is no lockup.

The question has done good duty raising awareness.

^ No.

That question & answers is perfectly worded to me I can't see how any one can say any different