Thread: Overall length Saga continues

Originally Posted by tanqueray

I’d never really thought about it, but what purpose do minimum length rules serve? If a license holder has a short or long rifle, he is still obliged to act within the law. If a criminal without an FAL has a short or long rifle, he is acting outside if the law. He can easily convert a long rifle into a short concealable rifle. If he is found with either he is stuffed.

Am I missing something?

I think it's more to provide a distinction between a rifle and a pistol. Otherwise you'd have people with cut down rifles which are totally not pistols but using them as such.

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Originally Posted by Russian 22.

I think it's more to provide a distinction between a rifle and a pistol. Otherwise you'd have people with cut down rifles which are totally not pistols but using them as such.

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Ah.. yes... but if you apply the logic of my original post, why do we even need pistol specific laws? Crims can and do make pistol sized firearms from rifles and shotguns. Whether they have a rifle, shortened rifle or pistol, they’re breaking the law, and naturally they’d be inclined to shorten whatever they can get their hands on anyway. Licensed firearm owners should be conducting themselves within the law, regardless of whether they’re using a 20mm cannon or a derringer.

Originally Posted by tanqueray

Ah.. yes... but if you apply the logic of my original post, why do we even need pistol specific laws? Crims can and do make pistol sized firearms from rifles and shotguns. Whether they have a rifle, shortened rifle or pistol, they’re breaking the law, and naturally they’d be inclined to shorten whatever they can get their hands on anyway. Licensed firearm owners should be conducting themselves within the law, regardless of whether they’re using a 20mm cannon or a derringer.

We also have pistol laws regarding who can own and where you can use them so they are necessary. So your point is moot

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Originally Posted by Russian 22.

We also have pistol laws regarding who can own and where you can use them so they are necessary. So your point is moot

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Lol. I’m arguing over the validity of a piece of legislation, and your response is that my point is moot because we have legislation.

Originally Posted by tanqueray

Lol. I’m arguing over the validity of a piece of legislation, and your response is that my point is moot because we have legislation.

Arguing that because criminals can use something should mean that we can use them too isn't a good idea to me.

I suppose you support conceal carry of pistols?

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Originally Posted by Russian 22.

Arguing that because criminals can use something should mean that we can use them too isn't a good idea to me.

I suppose you support conceal carry of pistols?

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Classic straw man.

Originally Posted by Russian 22.

Arguing that because criminals can use something should mean that we can use them too isn't a good idea to me.

I suppose you support conceal carry of pistols?

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I support conceal carry but then I was born in the state of Georgia

Originally Posted by tanqueray

Classic straw man.

Been done to me before on here too

Originally Posted by Paddy79

I support conceal carry but then I was born in the state of Georgia

Have you ever felt like it was necessary in what dodgy places you end in?

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Originally Posted by tanqueray

Ah.. yes... but if you apply the logic of my original post, why do we even need pistol specific laws? Crims can and do make pistol sized firearms from rifles and shotguns. Whether they have a rifle, shortened rifle or pistol, they’re breaking the law, and naturally they’d be inclined to shorten whatever they can get their hands on anyway. Licensed firearm owners should be conducting themselves within the law, regardless of whether they’re using a 20mm cannon or a derringer.

It's based around the belief that pistols are:

A - Predominantly for defensive use, and the authorities want to maintain their own monopoly on who is accepted to have guns for defensive use

B - Easily concealable, making them suitable for criminal use.

The original fear that the authorities had with pistols, was the idea that they would be used against them in a soclialist/communist revolution. They were shit scared that what happened in the Russian Empire in 1917 would happen in western nations.

Originally Posted by tanqueray

Ah.. yes... but if you apply the logic of my original post, why do we even need pistol specific laws? Crims can and do make pistol sized firearms from rifles and shotguns. Whether they have a rifle, shortened rifle or pistol, they’re breaking the law, and naturally they’d be inclined to shorten whatever they can get their hands on anyway. Licensed firearm owners should be conducting themselves within the law, regardless of whether they’re using a 20mm cannon or a derringer.

I agree that we shouldn't NEED pistol specific laws but we HAVE pistol specific laws