Thread: Overall length Saga continues

@MaW

Any weapon (A or E class alike) WHICH CAN BE FIRED IN ITS FOLDED STATE will be measured in its shortest state to determine if it is a pistol (pistol legally defined as less than 762mm or 30").

This is really the police applying the law, not ultra vires exceeding of authority, never mind their earlier unhelpful confusion-spreading.

Expecting police to measure guns in any different way is over-optimistic, like measuring one's private member from tip right back to anus.

Originally Posted by Cordite

@MaW

Any weapon (A or E class alike) WHICH CAN BE FIRED IN ITS FOLDED STATE will be measured in its shortest state to determine if it is a pistol (pistol legally defined as less than 762mm or 30").

This is really the police applying the law, not ultra vires exceeding of authority, never mind their earlier unhelpful confusion-spreading.

Expecting police to measure guns in any different way is over-optimistic, like measuring one's private member from tip right back to anus.

Thanks Cordite, I understand what the legislation is and I understand the police 'policy' of how they want to measure an E-cat but I was curious where @Square22 got his information that

A cats - from end of stock (obviously can't be collapsible/foldable) to end of threads.

Forget the collapsible part, I was curious about 'to ends of threads'. I have an A-cat that follows the legislation and is legal no matter what policy policy is but I have never seen any police document that says an A cat is measured to the threads. I could point to some rifles on NZ dealers right now that dont meet that definition either but they are being sold legally.

Originally Posted by MaW

Thanks Cordite, I understand what the legislation is and I understand the police 'policy' of how they want to measure an E-cat but I was curious where @Square22 got his information that

A cats - from end of stock (obviously can't be collapsible/foldable) to end of threads.

Forget the collapsible part, I was curious about 'to ends of threads'. I have an A-cat that follows the legislation and is legal no matter what policy policy is but I have never seen any police document that says an A cat is measured to the threads. I could point to some rifles on NZ dealers right now that dont meet that definition either but they are being sold legally.

Particularly if it was a smooth bore. Assuming the "threads" relates to rifling.

Originally Posted by MaW

Thanks Cordite, I understand what the legislation is and I understand the police 'policy' of how they want to measure an E-cat but I was curious where @Square22 got his information that

A cats - from end of stock (obviously can't be collapsible/foldable) to end of threads.

Forget the collapsible part, I was curious about 'to ends of threads'. I have an A-cat that follows the legislation and is legal no matter what policy policy is but I have never seen any police document that says an A cat is measured to the threads. I could point to some rifles on NZ dealers right now that dont meet that definition either but they are being sold legally.

Yep collapsible / foldable only applies to semi autos on A cat, fine on a non semi auto a cat.

The Police document on measuring from the stock to the end of the barrel without attachments is on the Police website (https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def..._-approval.pdf)

and Founz has also put it on their website ( http://www.founz.co.nz/wp-content/up..._-approval.pdf).

The length of any firearm is measured without any “attachments” (whether or not
“permanently” attached (e.g. welding, pinned)), such as flash-hiders, silencers,
muzzle brakes, or barrel extensions

Following protests from a few different groups the Police released the below via email to various groups including Pistol NZ, Kiwi Gun Blog, Deer stalkers etc relating only to MSSA

On the 13th of September the policy position below was distributed internally and externally. Since then I have been asked to provide clarification as to the points to be measured from and to. To determine overall length of the MSSA the measuring should start from the closed or folded stock position to the end of the flash suppressor, providing the flash suppressor is firmly fixed to the firearm in such a way that a tool is required to remove it.
Mike McIlraith - Arms Act Service Delivery Group"

Essentially - E cats at the moment can include a flash suppressor as part of the length, A cats can not and are measured to the end of the barrel or the thread if it is threaded.