Thread: Paula Bennett. Le ther know how pissed off you are

Originally Posted by timattalon

Talk like that in the U.S.A. is what got Trump in......Effectively voters saw him as a protest vote or a vote of n"no confidence" in the current selection.

Same thing happened here in the 90s. A massive disappointment in parties winning elections and becoming government with less than half the vote saw a protest vote on a referendum that got us MMP. I will not comment as to which system is better as that is not the point. The point is that if First past the post was working, there would not have been a vote to start with....

Thanks for the reply.
I won't push my point any further, as it's not on subject, and I probably shouldn't have posted it at all.
I dont think many people share my point of view on politics and expressing it further would be a fruitless exercise.
Cheers.

i have sent a letter to bennett as well as several others.
be polite but be forceful, point things out but dont threaten.

but give them hell !!!

well I agree with "so we need to make sure our gun laws are tough on gangs and criminals". But have they only worked that one out?

Originally Posted by Ernie

https://www.facebook.com/paulabennet...91649702567417

Why can the Police have a secret report in the Govts investigation into criminal use of firearms and no one allowed to see it......among other stuff

give her a hoozle up and tell all your shooting mates to do the same

It went like this in the UK. look at where they are now !

Thanks for sharing mate, some of us can only get around so much to do so

Originally Posted by 223nut

Now we R talking politics @Pengy

And religion. Shameful.

Just sent this to Paula Bennett and copied to Stuart Nash ( the biggest irrational proponent):

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Hi Paula

I'm writing to you to express my concern about what I see as likely to happen should these changes come to pass and they certainly look like they will. I believe there is some deliberate misrepresentation going on in the public arena to make the proposed changes seem more justifiable. Both the new Police Ass'n president and Stuart Nash have publicly said that currently you do not need to have a Firearms Licence to buy ammunition. This is totally incorrect.

To give some context to my comments, my relevant demographics:
..(hobbies + competitive sport involvement)..

I applaud the move to restrict firearms licences to gang members and gang affiliates. I'm not sure how this would work but the justification seems to be there.

I however see NO justification of further tampering with the law as it stands. In particular, the move to make common sporting semi-automatic rimfire (low powered) rifles and shotguns fit under the E-Cat restrictions. Further, the recording of serial numbers with current owners -volunteering- these at firearms licence renewal will doing absolutely nothing to improve public safety. This is firearms registration by another name. It seems the Inquiry was not able to recognise the hard-won lesson from Canada- tens of millions spent for no result. Unless at database is virtually complete, it has zero value in crime prevention, especially where criminals are concerned.

I will be -seriously- annoyed if these unjustifiable restrictions come to pass. If the current law was properly implemented with appropriate sentences for serious offenders ( eg gang members illegally using firearms), this would be all we need.


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The main thing is that you -all- send -something- in and make the protest numbers count

Just a follow-up and curious to know who else got this email today . . . .



Thanks for taking the time to write and provide your feedback on Parliament’s report into firearms.

I’ve got a family full of recreational hunters and fishers so I understand where you are coming from. My focus is on seeing fewer guns in the hands of criminals, and not on unduly burdening responsible firearms owners.

After an initial look at the recommendations I can see several that probably won’t be progressed, but more work needs to be done. We are working through our response over the new few weeks and I will be getting in independent advisors from the hunting and sport shooting community to assist me.

I'll send you an update when we have some progress to report. I do appreciate your feedback and officials are going through the almost 300 emails we’ve received.

Regards,

Paula Bennett
Minister of Police

Originally Posted by mkm

Just a follow-up and curious to know who else got this email today . . . .



Thanks for taking the time to write and provide your feedback on Parliament’s report into firearms.

I’ve got a family full of recreational hunters and fishers so I understand where you are coming from. My focus is on seeing fewer guns in the hands of criminals, and not on unduly burdening responsible firearms owners.

After an initial look at the recommendations I can see several that probably won’t be progressed, but more work needs to be done. We are working through our response over the new few weeks and I will be getting in independent advisors from the hunting and sport shooting community to assist me.

I'll send you an update when we have some progress to report. I do appreciate your feedback and officials are going through the almost 300 emails we’ve received.

Regards,

Paula Bennett
Minister of Police

I got the same this morning

I wonder who these "independent advisors from the hunting and sport shooting community" are. Hopefully none of Chris Cahill's campfire hunting buddies.

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Originally Posted by mikee

I got the same this morning

got mine approx 1.30 this arvo.
still dont trust her, and sure dont trust cahill the lieing scaremongering bugger !!

Just a note to indicate my concern at the recent firearms committee report into criminal access to firearms..

From my reading of this, it would appear that the committee has neither addressed the purpose for which it was supposedly created nor has it adequately examined the performance of enforcement agencies under the current law.

The police I understand had a considerable amount of input through both their association, and the current administration not all of which was public and that is disturbing in a democracy that requires the police to be both impartial and non-political. For such a standard to be met, any contribution to policy must be subject to public scrutiny.

While the flavour of legal development in this country appears to have moved to account for potential issues before they occur, the impact of regulation on individual freedoms on the law abiding in areas like firearms law and the legitimate choices that we as individuals are able to make, is not an equitable response to a non-existent problem.

More regulation and control is certainly is not a solution when the current environment is more than capable of dealing with any issues that actually exist. Enforcement is the issue, any sociologist will tell you that more regulation will not solve problems in the absence of compliance, and compliance is directly related to the fear of consequences and actually being caught.

This I am sure that you know, so increasing regulation will only increase the cost of enforcement. If that extra regulation does nothing to prevent the problems, they will remain but with added resource requirement and no-one is further ahead.

The solutions if a problem actually exists and to be honest this appears to be entirely unsubstantiated, is to improve enforcement. The current laws are more than sufficient for that purpose, although thought could be given to making criminal offending with a firearm a more serious class of offending.

I appreciate the opportunity to contribute perhaps to your thinking in this area…

Sent this today to Aunty Paula....

Looks like Paula has been email a few of us then - see @Koshogi 's call to arms thread - sorry not sure how to link it across

Originally Posted by mkm

Looks like Paula has been email a few of us then - see @Koshogi 's call to arms thread - sorry not sure how to link it across

http://www.nzhuntingandshooting.co.n...ll-arms-34435/

Yeah I got the same reply from her too.

Guess she just sucked the number 300 out of thin air....our was it the same place the number of stolen guns came from
I see MP Nash on damage control to.
It's on the call to arms thread.