Police arrest 2 for firearms offences - Feilding

https://i.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/131190409
Good work by police! Article text quoted below. (text has changed after I have posted links to articles before)

Two men will appear in court after police found two sawn-off firearms in their car on Thursday morning.

Police stopped a vehicle in Feilding around 11am on Aorangi Rd, which resulted in 31-year-old man and a 36-year-old man being arrested, sergeant Nick Lawton said.

“While making enquiries into the vehicle police identified and recovered two firearms, a sawn-off shotgun, sawn-off rifle, and ammunition,” he said.

Both men have been remanded in custody to appear on charges of unlawful possession of firearms.

“This was a fantastic effort by all involved, and we have been able to remove another couple of weapons off the street and put the offenders before the courts,” Lawton said

“This great result demonstrates police commitment to holding those who create harm in our communities to account.”
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Someone is missing their x. Bolt by the looks..

What is it with crims needing to butcher every firearm they find. Fucken morons.

those two shottie shells have been around for quite some time. look somewhat like and old ranger and field ranger case.....may have been reloaded many times too.
now be VERY interesting to see where those two guns came from...have they been reported stolen??? where/when and from who.

Looks like a 270. It might not only deafen the victim but also the shooter…. Special person indeed

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Originally Posted by Micky Duck

those two shottie shells have been around for quite some time. look somewhat like and old ranger and field ranger case.....may have been reloaded many times too.
now be VERY interesting to see where those two guns came from...have they been reported stolen??? where/when and from who.

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Yeah was going to say the same thing. Maybe back of the shed find

Sent from my SM-N970F using Tapatalk

And quite surprisingly, there were gang patches in the photo as well. Fuck me dead!

righto ,lets run a book on the number of discounts these specimens will get at sentencing, so their sentences are minimal. Im pickin at least 3 types.

Get that bus ticket soaking

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righto ,lets run a book on the number of discounts these specimens will get at sentencing, so their sentences are minimal. Im pickin at least 3 types.

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Dad was absent, uncle was a kiddie fiddler and mum was on meth. Three weeks home D.

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https://i.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/131190409
Good work by police! Article text quoted below. (text has changed after I have posted links to articles before)

Two men will appear in court after police found two sawn-off firearms in their car on Thursday morning.

Police stopped a vehicle in Feilding around 11am on Aorangi Rd, which resulted in 31-year-old man and a 36-year-old man being arrested, sergeant Nick Lawton said.

“While making enquiries into the vehicle police identified and recovered two firearms, a sawn-off shotgun, sawn-off rifle, and ammunition,” he said.

Both men have been remanded in custody to appear on charges of unlawful possession of firearms.

“This was a fantastic effort by all involved, and we have been able to remove another couple of weapons off the street and put the offenders before the courts,” Lawton said

“This great result demonstrates police commitment to holding those who create harm in our communities to account.”
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interesting that both are not what one could describe as any sort of quality weapon especially the shotgun - makes a bit of a mockery of gangs access to guns onsold by FAL types as some police claim - rather more likely from thefts - if gangs were using FAL types especially B cat to get weapons one would think you would see some decent auto pistols or revolvers or even an AK type weapon well thats my thoughts

With these types probably no sort of sentence that is available to the Court would be a deterrent.
At least the guns are off the street.

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Originally Posted by Bol Tackshin

https://i.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/131190409
Good work by police! Article text quoted below. (text has changed after I have posted links to articles before)

Two men will appear in court after police found two sawn-off firearms in their car on Thursday morning.

Police stopped a vehicle in Feilding around 11am on Aorangi Rd, which resulted in 31-year-old man and a 36-year-old man being arrested, sergeant Nick Lawton said.

“While making enquiries into the vehicle police identified and recovered two firearms, a sawn-off shotgun, sawn-off rifle, and ammunition,” he said.

Both men have been remanded in custody to appear on charges of unlawful possession of firearms.

“This was a fantastic effort by all involved, and we have been able to remove another couple of weapons off the street and put the offenders before the courts,” Lawton said

“This great result demonstrates police commitment to holding those who create harm in our communities to account.”


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I note a crude stabbing device ( wouldn’t call it a knife!) with duct tape on it on the right of the lower pic, nasty.

A king cobra was recently sentenced for his part in a gunfight on a suburban street, and for possesion of a 3D printed FGC9 (9mm AR type pistol), and got ......... home detention

Sentencing is a real problem (from my perspective anyway). Just about no punishment would be a deterrent for true antisocial types. And stick them in prison and they get to big-deal with their own ilk which makes it worst not better. Put young offenders in prison and they become under the gang influence 24/7. Home detention for the hardened gang members seems joke. It’s a dilemma.

Prison serves, to a greater or lesser extent, 4 purposes.

1) Punishment. To me, sure. Prison would be a punishment - to your average Nomad/Mongrel/Black Power/who cares, not so much
2) Deterrence. See 1)
3) Rehabilitation. I know a psychologist who works in the prison service. It isn't great, and there aren't enough resources or people to do a worthwhile job for/on everyone. The success stories tend to be self selecting
4) Isolation from society. This one does work, but eventually (nearly) everyone gets out, and then we are all bitching about the lack of success in 3)

I used to be a fan of capital punishment, but over the years I've changed my mind. I now have a problem with handing the Government the power to do an unrecoverable act - there have been enough examples of malfeasance, bias and just incompetence that I'd rather pay for them to be put away - forever, if necessary.

For joe shithead, there really does need to be a way to get them out of the lifestyle that they live - and it isn't by doing what we currently are doing, that is for sure.

12 hours a day 7 days a week on a chain gang for a few years

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12 hours a day 7 days a week on a chain gang for a few years

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I can see why you are in charge of the humour section on here :)

Apparently making them wear pink in public works overseas. Public shaming and all that.

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Apparently making them wear pink in public works overseas. Public shaming and all that.

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now between you and gone troppo you guys are onto it - many years ago I ran PD ( Periodic Detention ) in Opotiki they could work with me up the Waioeka gorge pulling out old fence lines or if they played up - sweep Opotiki streets - now they hated that so were happy to come out with me - they hated being seen in public - so dress these firearm bandits in pink - sweep streets by hand but only after serving at least 5 years for firearm offences

Outsource our prison sentences to Indonesia. Sentences to be served there. Bulk fund them.

nah...just make OZ back into a penal colony and send them over there..oh hang on a minute,thats already been tried and now apparently they can send them back...SO shouldnt that mean 90% of population should go back to old mother England where their ancestor came from??

No they’ll get hammer by Nash. He’ll tell them to stop being naughty, it’s just not on.
That’ll sort em out.

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Originally Posted by gonetropo

12 hours a day 7 days a week on a chain gang for a few years

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Plenty of cleaning up to do up North.

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Prison serves, to a greater or lesser extent, 4 purposes.

1) Punishment. To me, sure. Prison would be a punishment - to your average Nomad/Mongrel/Black Power/who cares, not so much
2) Deterrence. See 1)
3) Rehabilitation. I know a psychologist who works in the prison service. It isn't great, and there aren't enough resources or people to do a worthwhile job for/on everyone. The success stories tend to be self selecting
4) Isolation from society. This one does work, but eventually (nearly) everyone gets out, and then we are all bitching about the lack of success in 3)

I used to be a fan of capital punishment, but over the years I've changed my mind. I now have a problem with handing the Government the power to do an unrecoverable act - there have been enough examples of malfeasance, bias and just incompetence that I'd rather pay for them to be put away - forever, if necessary.

For joe shithead, there really does need to be a way to get them out of the lifestyle that they live - and it isn't by doing what we currently are doing, that is for sure.

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I've seen a lot of guys go to prison Ross. Hand on heart I can tell you that every single one of them came out worse than when they went in.

I agree that what we are currently doing isn't working, but what alternative is there??

I like the fact that whilst they are in there, they can't do anymore damage to anyone. I've never seen any of them get rehabilitated. It just doesn't happen.

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Plenty of cleaning up to do up North.

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It's such a shame the PC gang won't allow this to happen. Removing silt and slash would likely be their only positive contribution to society ever.

Yeah get the guns of the street they will find new ones. Get them off the street (permanently), problem solved.

Singapore has it sorted.
A public lashing on the bare buttocks with a rattan cane (wielded by a big man who doesn't hold back on the effort).
Seems that very few people ever reoffend again.

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Dad was absent, uncle was a kiddie fiddler and mum was on meth. Three weeks home D.

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whatda ya reckon to a good old green machine orderly room Rushy permanent CB or a wee holiday at SDC burnham?????

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Singapore has it sorted.
A public lashing on the bare buttocks with a rattan cane (wielded by a big man who doesn't hold back on the effort).
Seems that very few people ever reoffend again.

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Keep saying it but nobody wants to know... Pain is a great teacher!

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Keep saying it but nobody wants to know... Pain is a great teacher!

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nope Sue Bradford forever changed that from being OK..... and I shall say no more on that particular subject.....

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nope Sue Bradford forever changed that from being OK..... and I shall say no more on that particular subject.....

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Oh don't get me started on her and that little gem of legislation Mr Duck............I can feel my blood pressure rising already with the mere thought of it

Remember reading 50 odd years ago one of the British colonised Island's was suffering from 'a section of society's' bad behaviour - and none of the usual punishments worked. So, they put the 'malfeasant's' in headstocks and publicly birched them.
That was The Isle of Man in 1976, the 'Birching Law' was repealed in 1993.

And it worked - crims found it painful and humiliating, and crying in public did their criminal status no good.
The criminal activities it was designed to combat ........... ceased.

"Birching" - a birch rod applied to the buttocks ........ and if it's anything like I experienced at school - it hurts.

"Humiliation" - is the abasement of pride which creates mortification due to being humbled.

I forgot to mention 'ridicule' ................. once you've 'ridiculed' someone, or have been 'ridiculed' yourself - then it's pretty hard to live that down - because someone somewhere knows you've been 'ridiculed'.

"Hey, did ya hear about the time he got ridiculed ?"
"Yeah, I heard he moved three towns to get away from it."
"Poor bugger ............... "

Prison doesn't ridicule anyone - public humiliation does.

"Hey, aren't you the bloke who got publicly birched ?"
"Yes I was, but I didn't cry."
"Fuck off - I saw you whimper."
"Did not."
"Did."
"I'll give you a thump."
"Pussy whimperer ............"

That's about how that goes - I would imagine.

Prior to Public Birching they had Public Hanging ............. history has a lot to teach us.

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Singapore has it sorted.
A public lashing on the bare buttocks with a rattan cane (wielded by a big man who doesn't hold back on the effort).
Seems that very few people ever reoffend again.

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It's done by a machine these days, so there's no favouritism

but...but...but... Karen and the kumbyah brigade would have to attend with aloe scented tissues to whipe away the tears and offer multiple counsiling sessions with XYZ gender neutral, PC approved, vegan, rainbow coloured lessons on life and how best to apply for multiple benifits from multiple government departments so the need for crime will be dissapated in future.
and the birch can would have to be sourced from 100% carbon neutral ,organic hydroponic (but not using water) grown native nursery ,run by indigenous peoples from the tribe of origin ,of the poor soul about to be smacked for being naughty's great grand mothers on both sides of the family tree(is that even a term these days?) and it would have to have been seasoned in a solar powered kiln along with hemp seed liniment to ease the pain during said correction therapy .
and ..and ...and you would have to have multiple agencies involved in planning the commities to study the implications from a health and safety angle for the application of said birch twitch, it would need to be studied in depth to assertain the most optimal weight and velocity so the person of neutral race and gender applying said birtch twitch didnt strain any muscles,ther would also have to be committee to assertain what councilling would be appropriate for the poor soul whos occupation is now being violent in applying said birch switch..
OH jolly my head hurts just contemplating the possibilities...maybe we should just release the poor soul back to whatever rock they crawled out from under with a taxpayer subsidised bag of organic weed to sooth the hurt feelings???

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It's done by a machine these days, so there's no favouritism

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could we hook it up to higher voltage to increase effectiveness????

Or you could get hold of Wally Coe from Taita College, who back in the early sixties quite publicly humiliated me ........

Wally wasn't that popular, a bit of a nerd and I was gaining 'browny points' with a bird I fancied by ridiculing him.
Quite unfairly, in my opinion - Wally grabbed my finger and bent it back ...........
"Do you concede ?"
"Fucks sake Wally ......"
"DO YOU CONCEDE."

And I conceded .........

"LOUDER."

And I conceded LOUDLY, and when I looked at my bird again she was looking at someone else.

True story that from around 1962 - I've never forgotten it, and I'm sure there's others who haven't either.
And it's because of that I never attended a school reunion ............

"Remember that time the nerd nearly made you cry ?"

I could probably get free counselling for that ....................