Thread: Police association reaction to submissions

Originally Posted by GrumpyKiwi

Yep and let's not forget that a lot of us with P or Ecat were constantly surprised by the inaccuracy of the register for the firearms. I was told I had three HK pistols unaccounted for. The funny thing, I only only ever had one and that was present and correct. The others were legacy cock ups from previous inspections not writing numbers down correctly. It took a considerable sum of donations to my lawyer to sort it out. No apology either. Just a note pon my file saying ai may be an illegal dealer. That took a judge to remove. I believe there is still an unofficial black mark existing. I was salos told that I had two firearms that were not correctly licensed. Unitl I produce the documentation. I got a warning for that! Rule number one, never admit you got it wrong if you are a cop.

I asked local FA officer for a printout of what they say I have on my C and B - no problem
Can you sign and date that please?
He looked like I had asked him to swallow my poo

They always had something wrong and expected me to be happy with their "oh, that's just our system, blah blah "

Not since the confiscation, sunshine

If there was something wrong on my end it would be up to me to do the explaining so if these spankcarrots want to charge market rates then I expect
a) some decent level of service
b) some pretense of accuracy

Any and all expectation from popo that I would do anything for them out of fairness got blown away in the dust years ago - I'd charge them for the shine off my shoe now

"Spankcarrots"

I learned a new word today

OK, here’s an update on the register
If an organisation, DOC, Akld Council, Mountain Safety, etc, own firearms, they can’t ( at present ) be registered to that organisation
They have to be registered to an individual, within that organisation
Now if the police audit that individual, and the firearms are stored somewhere else, on a Regional Park for example, no one knows the ramifications of that. Are they responsible if they’re stolen ?
Do they need to have firearms storage capable of holding those firearms, if needed ?
There’s a nationwide meeting, next week, to decide what to do.
The word clu$terfuck was used, and that was by an Arms Officer.

On a similar note, I learned recently that after June, qualifying shoots for pistol club members are now only considered if they are advised completions at your home club. So you will not be able to count a practice session at your club and you can’t count any attendance at another club or Regional/National competitions toward your twelve per year. Absurd much? Who makes this shit up?

Originally Posted by Rushy

On a similar note, I learned recently that after June, qualifying shoots for pistol club members are now only considered if they are advised completions at your home club. So you will not be able to count a practice session at your club and you can’t count any attendance at another club or Regional/National competitions toward your twelve per year. Absurd much? Who makes this shit up?

Its becoming an international theme. Same rules here too pretty much.

Many pistol shooters would attend practice on a Wednsday but seldom compete due to family commitments. The new rules mean that only compeditors qualify, reducing the number of shooters.

Originally Posted by 300CALMAN

One point is while most of us here are keen shooters or hunters or both, in my experience there are a great deal of rural LFO's who mostly kill pests such as rabbits, possums, goats etc as part of work or because they need to on their property. These people aren't hobbyists or necessarily keen fire arm users. This will cause many to quit (if they can) or possibly some will go outside the law. I would say without a doubt pest control will suffer. I suspect duck shooting is going to take a big hit also.

A business could write it off as a expense. Am considering asking boss to subsidise my next license application as I do the majority of putting down sick and injured livestock plus the Pest control that I do

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Originally Posted by Frogfeatures

OK, here’s an update on the register
If an organisation, DOC, Akld Council, Mountain Safety, etc, own firearms, they can’t ( at present ) be registered to that organisation
They have to be registered to an individual, within that organisation
Now if the police audit that individual, and the firearms are stored somewhere else, on a Regional Park for example, no one knows the ramifications of that. Are they responsible if they’re stolen ?
Do they need to have firearms storage capable of holding those firearms, if needed ?
There’s a nationwide meeting, next week, to decide what to do.
The word clu$terfuck was used, and that was by an Arms Officer.

This makes me smile

Originally Posted by Rushy

On a similar note, I learned recently that after June, qualifying shoots for pistol club members are now only considered if they are advised completions at your home club. So you will not be able to count a practice session at your club and you can’t count any attendance at another club or Regional/National competitions toward your twelve per year. Absurd much? Who makes this shit up?

Simple. Every shoot is a 'event'....

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Originally Posted by norsk

Its becoming an international theme. Same rules here too pretty much.

Many pistol shooters would attend practice on a Wednsday but seldom compete due to family commitments. The new rules mean that only compeditors qualify, reducing the number of shooters.

With what’s been happening in Ukraine for last 12+ months I would have thought all Scandivian countries and govts would be positively endorsing shooting clubs and responsible gun ownership

Originally Posted by chainsaw

With what’s been happening in Ukraine for last 12+ months I would have thought all Scandivian countries and govts would be positively endorsing shooting clubs and responsible gun ownership

Not when most of the Politicians gain points for their next job working for the UN/EU/Nato etc

The clubs then need to make it a round Robyn events practice season followed by contest. Same time as attendance.
There’s more than one way to skin the cat. For more serious contests come to the Saturday event.
Can’t see why this would not work. Also would certainly increase the club’s membership which is a good thing.

Originally Posted by Rushy

On a similar note, I learned recently that after June, qualifying shoots for pistol club members are now only considered if they are advised completions at your home club. So you will not be able to count a practice session at your club and you can’t count any attendance at another club or Regional/National competitions toward your twelve per year. Absurd much? Who makes this shit up?

@Rushy
I don't think that is strictly correct. I've copied below an extract from Pistol NZ memo to clubs. "Scheduled shooting activities" count. It does seem odd that they don't count away competitions. Your secretary/club will have to submit a calendar for the coming year make sure it is as full as possible.

1. Member activities – from 01 July 2023
Please note that activities require that a person ‘participates in scheduled shooting activities organised by the pistol
shooting club of which the person is a member’. Actively participating in a club day or a new members training session
and the act of ROing these (referred to within the regulations as the ‘duty officer’) for a match count. ROing counts as
it is a health and safety matter that there must be an RO (Duty Officer) when any shooting takes place. However
working bees, committee meetings and general maintenance do not count towards an attendance.
The club activities that count for the attendance requirement are ones which have been notified to Te Tari Pūreke
Clubs and ranges (TTP CR) within the clubs annual report – either in the year previous or the year coming. A club is able
to add further club activities’ to the club calendar within the year, however these must be included in the next annual
report for the ‘previous year’ section.

A club activity now requires that you send lead down the range.
A working bee or committee meeting no longer counts.

it counts IF you send lead down range though...... not hard to organise that.