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https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/cri...arm-themselves
Thought this might be relevent.
Isn't that what happens now anyway??Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
Gold:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by timattalon
We have three cops at our pistol club that train on their own time with their own funds, And they are damn good shots I am happy to have them in my neighbour hood
It is pity that more of them don't join Pistol clubs or the Deerstalkers to improve their skills, maybe the NZPA and NZDA should look into encouraging them to join with reduced fees
I am not 100% sure how accurate this is but I was told it is sort of discouraged for them to be members of gun clubs and the like.Quote:
Originally Posted by shooternz
I grew up with 2 of our local cops. Both in AOS and one used to be a club member. Not sure why he isint any longer.
The other when finished training comes down for a nosey if I am or others are there and has a play. Seems very interested yet when asked to join changes subject. Would be good to have them as members.
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They get discounted fees at ASC, and at least one of our top trainers offers free one-to-one training. On one induction course I took, 5 of the 7 attending were police.Quote:
Originally Posted by shooternz
We had a serving officer as our president a number of years ago....and we are a fairly big clubQuote:
Originally Posted by R93
I think that is for a few reasons, they are not 100% certain that the guy they got is the perp from last week (though very likely) and they are suspecting that he was not alone so there is a serious likelihood of accomplices with the same mind set who may be inclined to "have a go" (in retailiation?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
As someone who lives here, while I am not keen on Police being permanently armed, they too have the right to expect to go home at night after work. I would rather hear that the crim was shot, than the officer. We had that here a few years back and it is the cop that deserves to go home, not the scum that shot at him.
Here here!
As the OP I agree with the sentiments that if you shoot at a police officer and you are fired upon you deserve what you get.
That said I am amazed that it seems OK to have poorly trained officers using firearms on public streets with what seems total disregard for the consequences.
The number of shots fired with (I believe) only two hits on the target/perpetrator is staggering.
The fact that no innocent parties were hit was pure luck. I'm not talking about the drongo's that put themselves and their children at risk. I'm referring to rounds penetrating windows 200m away.
I don't know what the police rules of engagement are. But surely they include things like check firing zone?????
if not
How would the senior officers justify a member of the public's death (adult or child) collateral damage? bad luck?
How would you????????????
someone did have a window shot out
thankfully no one apart from scumbag criminal was injured. now i have shot many a round but never with someone shooting back at me. but i think the police need more range time and simulated combat conditions .
to the cop who got him: it must be weighing on your mind but he deserved every single grain of lead
Why do they need discounted fees?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy
Surely they could afford to pay full price with all the money they save from only having to pay half price at McDonald's.
@systolic: dunno about 1/2 price, when i lived in northland they ate for free at maccas whangarei.
To encourage them to be members, why encourage a rift between Joe Plod and Joe Public? Did you charge them double in your pub?Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
That went out a few years ago!Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
The Police seem to think that a projectile that misses the intended target just falls on the ground, I don't think ballistics are part of the training courseQuote:
Originally Posted by spada
if the trainers are ex military they don't have very much ballistic knowledge going by what friends that have been in the military have said.
Sorry man but that doesn't sound right regarding the ex mil police trainers.Quote:
Originally Posted by shooternz
Both military trainers I know were Warrant Officers in Infantry or specialist units.
You need a SAFFS course just to reach to Sgt in those careers.
SAFFS is pretty much 5 weeks of small arms, DFSW and Arty ballistics.
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They just don't care!Quote:
Originally Posted by spada
Basically bullying morons, who fantasize that our streets are a free fire zone. A hand-cuffed man shot in the back while on the ground. A van driver murdered on the Auckland motorway and a truck driver crippled for life in the same debacle .
Ten years on and nothing has changed.
Ross Meurant's position that police who use a firearm on another citizen have to be charged, as would happen to any other citizen, is overdue for implementation.
The courts are the place to decide guilt. Not the police management, not the media or the court of public opinion.
Removal of the police exemption from obeying the arms Act 1983, needs to be another change implemented if police are to be reconciled with the community that they are supposed to be a part of.
is this dick trying to be funny?Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
Ohhhhh, the irony.Quote:
Originally Posted by 40mm
Tried and failed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 40mm
When they were getting that it was in part because of MacDonalds belief that it was, in a small way, saying thank you, and in part because most franchises that I knew of at the time were owned by former Police.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
Maccas used to have a pretty good relationship with the local cops when I was there. If we had a drunk driver in the drive through, we would stall them slightly so a cop could get close, they would tail them for a bit until they were away from the shop, then pull them over for a test. That way the shop did not get targeted for tipping them off.
Not sure what the story is now.
McDonald's saying thank you? Or getting cheap security patrols?Quote:
Originally Posted by timattalon
What's the difference between cops in uniform being given half price, or free McDonald's and a half price, or free blow job from a whore?
Why should cops be given discounts just because they're cops? Surely anyone giving something away at a discount expects 'something' in return.
Smacks of corru.......favoritism.
From the article:Quote:
Originally Posted by Marty Henry
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Arming police officers also led to more offenders arming themselves in response, he said.
"I think we've seen that a lot recently – that the police who have been targeted by armed offenders, they're shooting at them rather than shooting at members of the public.
"[Offenders] seem to be arming themselves against the police because of that, because they know that they themselves are armed."
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I'd like to know where this information has come from as offenders aren't arming themselves because of the police, they arm themselves due to other criminals firstly as there are no rules when it comes to dealing with other criminals who are bent on ripping you off, taxings, intimadation etc.
Criminals arm themselves because other criminals are arming themselves!
When criminals deal with the police they know the police have duties, obligations, procedures, guidelines to follow however they will arm themselves and use firearms against police because they know there's a 90% chance the police they target or interact with at the time aren't armed and they will shoot at police because it's the police who are trying to apprehend them... not the public!
Do you hold the same view on all the emergency services which include Ambulance & Fire who get discounts or just the Police?Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
There was never any cheap patrols or any expectations of them. It was mostly former police trying to be nice to their former colleagues. We picked up rubbish of all sorts (Not just from our store) and we picked it up right around the WHOLE BLOCK. Not because we expected the supermarket to even notice, but because as a business we felt it was a good thing to do. In part a lot of the rubbish was generated but twats in cars in the carpark, but it did not stop us picking up beer cans, bottles and nappies etc. Does that mean in your eyes the supermaret is "corrupt...?Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
We are lucky in this country that the levels of corruption are low. And besides would you think to do an extra patrol past a maccas cos you got a free feed? By the sound of it you would.
Now if he had used his DF discounts anywhere over the years, would he admit the hypocrisy, or blame it on getting his pills mixed up again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seventenths
What Am I not funny? Ill keep my day job then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proudkiwi
I used to work at maccas, and I figured the half price thing was a marketing thing, looking like good buggers. Or doing a good deed etc.
Probably a bit of both.
Anyone who did a burnout in the drive through got lots of extras on my shift.
I feel bad for the old neighbors now.... Sorry who ever you were!
10 seconds searching on Google shows this from a few years ago:
Police may be disciplined for discounted food
The Police Commissioner Peter Marshall has threatened to discipline any staff who accept cheap hamburgers and fast food while they're in uniform.
Police officers should pay full price or walk away if the food outlet insists they accept a discount, he says.
His instruction has come after 3 News revelations that police in uniform have been routinely accepting such perks.
A special button on McDonald's tills gives police cheap burgers and it's been getting a work-out.
Mr Marshall sent a letter to staff laying down the law about accepting discounts.
"It is totally inappropriate for a police officer in uniform to consider receiving discounted food from any outlet. In nearly 41 years of service I have never placed myself in that position, a position that cheapens the standing of New Zealand police," the letter says.
"We should not receive a discount for simply doing our job. Retailers have clear motivation in offering such discounts - simply to attract law enforcement officers to their premises."
The relationship between police and McDonald's is long-standing. Many will remember an advertisement where non-sworn officer Ronald McDonald reminds viewers to "make it click".
That deal ended six years ago, but the discount did not despite police back then vowing to stamp it out.
McDonald's worker Siddhata Vyas says police officers normally come in to the restaurant during weekends and weekend mornings "because we've got quite a few drunk people so they come in and deal with that and then expect the free meal".
Since the revelations were made 3 News has been contacted by a number of fast food workers about police accepting cheap or free food, not only burgers but pizzas, fried chicken, and sandwiches too.
And last night a former police officer wrote in saying she'd found it distasteful and unprofessional when former colleagues accepted what amounted to fast food backhanders. She said the restaurants, mainly McDonald's, were equally to blame dishing out discounts to get free security.
So in the latest incident were the projectiles that went through a second story window and garage ricochets or miss place shots? Is that calibre and projectile actually suitable for this type of use?
A paint ball gun springs to mind with each cop in the team with different coloured balls making it easy to sort out the bad shots
Maybe they were (tongue in cheekhere) warning shots??Quote:
Originally Posted by Chilli_Dog
Your like Mike CAHILL on ZB avoiding the question with something else and yes google will show that and as mentioned earlier police no longer receive discounts as it went out years ago so i'll ask the question again.Quote:
Originally Posted by systolic
Do you hold the same view on all the emergency services which include Ambulance & Fire who get discounts or just the Police?
systolic -gidday ugly -listen masturbation is regarded as perfectly normal and in private no problem -but your intellectual SJW erotica on here leads me to beleive you may well become overstimulated.Iwont say" get a grip[ -it could be termed inappropriate.however youll find with with your limpwrist attitudes youll make a lot of buddies on TM message boards -Jackinthe box and JCMP being two!of course if you were a frontline copper faced with off the trolley specimen of sub human DNA finking neat Blow a pig away,youd need extra large trousers to house a double layer of adult incontinence pull up knickers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seventenths
so without sifting through the crap this looks like another oooo the naughty police daring to shoot someone that's armed and doesn't know what drop the weapon means you guys that think its bad are fukn homos never hear you going on about the armed guy doing robberies how about the bystanders in those situations there you go bet that puts the cat amongst the pidgeons
I don't care what discounts other emergency services get. The police are supposed to be above reproach when it come to honesty and integrity. Taking discounts for food in exchange for security patrols of McDonald's or any other place like that is wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seventenths
As the police chief himself said a few years ago it "cheapens the standing of New Zealand police".
It's not as if the fire brigade are going to be expected to do anything in return for cheap burgers. They won't be doing security patrols around McDonald's late at night when they're all tucked up in bed, being paid to sleep.
Do you need a hug @systolicQuote:
Originally Posted by systolic
Instead of all the vitriolic right wing retardedness, why don't some of you consider what systolic is actually saying. Which is simply, cops can't accept half price/free shit without becoming compromised.
Don't get wrapped up with the messenger and instead, consider the message.
They aren't, they don't, they haven't for several years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proudkiwi
Typical of Systolic to turn a chat about whether police get some range time to be able to do critical parts of their jobs better (lifechanging shit), into a wank fest over whether they get a coffee at 4am for $2 instead of $3.50. @systolic, do you wish you'd joined civvie police instead?