Thread: Police pushing firearms safety in mass media

Originally Posted by Fat ninja

Yea they do, all military guns have serial numbers

Which has nothing at all to do with why police will not release details on the firearm used to kill Constable Hunt.

Originally Posted by Fat ninja

Yea they do, all military guns have serial numbers

But why they are not required to be included in the registry, or even a separate registry of some sort?
It would appear either they have security concerns about a registry, or they don’t want illegal firearms traced back to them.

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Originally Posted by Cigar

I’ve just noticed that firearms owned by the Crown (which I assume includes all police and military firearms) are NOT required to be marked with identifying marks OR have details provided to the Police for inclusion in the registry OR to record any particulars, whether in the registry or elsewhere.
Really? The defence force and police don’t need to record the details of their firearms anywhere? WTF!!!I guess that once the registry comes in, that means all guns seized from criminals that aren’t in the registry must be govt firearms stolen or sold on the black market.

There’s some anomaly or two in your assumptions.

Originally Posted by Cigar

But why they are not required to be included in the registry, or even a separate registry of some sort?
It would appear either they have security concerns about a registry, or they don’t want illegal firearms traced back to them.

They have their own registry

In principle I think making the public aware of "loose firearms" is a sound idea. There are continuing episodes of gang violence involving firearms on the streets amongst residential areas and terrorist threats are still being uncovered. Increasing the public awareness to become more observant of suspicious behaviour is necessary in these times for the safety of "normal kiwis". Some of the draconian police firearms "policy proposals" are a different matter entirely though and should not be confused with the public awareness program.

Would be keen for adds warning the thief what is coming your way for stealing firearms, 5-10 years, forgot we are in NZ, 10 hours community service, and it's not your fault your a thief.

Originally Posted by tetawa

Would be keen for adds warning the thief what is coming your way for stealing firearms, 5-10 years, forgot we are in NZ, 10 hours community service, and it's not your fault your a thief.

Totally agree. @tetawa

Originally Posted by tetawa

Would be keen for adds warning the thief what is coming your way for stealing firearms, 5-10 years, forgot we are in NZ, 10 hours community service, and it's not your fault your a thief.

it will probably be your fault for having firearms he could steal.....ban all firearms

Originally Posted by northdude

it will probably be your fault for having firearms he could steal.....ban all firearms

After all the accusations of gangs and crims in general being supplied firearms through theft etc of LFO's as there's no possible other way for them to get their grubby mits on guns otherwise (so we are told) I would not be surprised if we are heading that way . And unfortunately the general public seem to swallow that line and would probably applaud just like with semis .

Originally Posted by northdude

it will probably be your fault for having firearms he could steal.....ban all firearms

ok so here is my take on that........for what little its worth.

Im old enough to remember the shotgun in corner of kitchen and shells on bench beside it.....and the rifle in wardrobe...I also remember funeral of my 9 year old cousin whos slightly older brother sent a 6.5x55mm round through.

if you store your rifle in secure cabinet and the uglies manage to rip it open and steal it..but dont find your bolts...its not really going to be worth much....your shotgun without forestock...or pump/semi without barrel is a pain in the arse..more time to keep looking to find them...it also means IF you happen to disturb them,or someone else does,they are unlikely to be able to shoot them or you.....
Ive been slack as over the years,but bolts are stored separately from rifles......
I would be gutted if my guns were stolen
I would be devastated if someone was killed by them because I couldnt be bothered locking them up better.

I store my bolts and ammunition in a separate hidden safe. The bolt goes in the pack with the ammo when I’m getting organised, the bolt goes in the rifle when I get to the hunting area, and comes out when I get back to the car, and straight back in the pack. I usually carry the rifle with an uncocked bolt closed on an empty chamber until I hear or see something, so very little risk of losing the bolt in the bush.
There is always the risk I’ll leavr the bolt at home, but I would have to forget the ammo too. A bigger risk is taking the wrong bolt and/or ammo.

But it’s usually my singleshot or lever action that get taken out of the safe, so there is no bolt to forget.

Originally Posted by Micky Duck

ok so here is my take on that........for what little its worth.

Im old enough to remember the shotgun in corner of kitchen and shells on bench beside it.....and the rifle in wardrobe...I also remember funeral of my 9 year old cousin whos slightly older brother sent a 6.5x55mm round through.

if you store your rifle in secure cabinet and the uglies manage to rip it open and steal it..but dont find your bolts...its not really going to be worth much....your shotgun without forestock...or pump/semi without barrel is a pain in the arse..more time to keep looking to find them...it also means IF you happen to disturb them,or someone else does,they are unlikely to be able to shoot them or you.....
Ive been slack as over the years,but bolts are stored separately from rifles......
I would be gutted if my guns were stolen
I would be devastated if someone was killed by them because I couldnt be bothered locking them up better.

at least keeping guns and bolts separate and guns get stolen you may have a few tikka bolts for sale could turn out to be a win

Originally Posted by Ftx325

probably a softening up tactic for the public , implying there is an issue with firearms storage , before they introduce new possibly expensive and nigh on impossible to work with storage laws , such as the vehicular transport lock-up changes on the way .
I have no issues with reminding people of their obligations , don't get me wrong , but these guys don't seem to operate on a single level nowadays . There almost always seems to be a deeper meaning/reason for bringing things into the public eye .
And it generally seems to be to gun owners detriment .... and making it that much more difficult to comply with new laws to point I am sure they are just trying to make the whole gun ownership thing more difficult than it has ever been simply to put people off ownership due to expense and or the amount of hoop jumping etc required .
But hey , that's just my opinion in general terms .
I could be way off base , but I don't think so.....

Spot on! Instilling fear, keeping it bubbling, wonder what else they are going to inflict on us?
COLFO should do the same for the police? Run an ad reminding them about random shooting in the station, storing and giving loaded firearms back, not securing firearms, leaving them in toilets and ranges, losing them on the roadside, not securing and having them stolen from stations, shooting themselves with pistols, not to do dodgy deals and inside sales, to follow the correct procedures when giving firearms licences.........maybe all police should have to sit FALs before being able to use.

Originally Posted by Cigar

I store my bolts and ammunition in a separate hidden safe. The bolt goes in the pack with the ammo when I’m getting organised, the bolt goes in the rifle when I get to the hunting area, and comes out when I get back to the car, and straight back in the pack. I usually carry the rifle with an uncocked bolt closed on an empty chamber until I hear or see something, so very little risk of losing the bolt in the bush.
There is always the risk I’ll leavr the bolt at home, but I would have to forget the ammo too. A bigger risk is taking the wrong bolt and/or ammo.

But it’s usually my singleshot or lever action that get taken out of the safe, so there is no bolt to forget.

@Pengy could help?