Thread: POLICY not law changes

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So according to this all those of us with or wanting a endorsement are going to need 2 safes. One for the firearm and one for the part to make said firearm inoperable.


Ain't seeing anything in the Arms ACT about such "requirements".....

I think having a 2nd lock box for bolts and the like is a good idea.

I don't think they should have to be of the same construction but i can see why they would as people would be dropkicks and put them in a tin lunch box and use a cable tie and call it locked

I cant see the point in separating the bolt from the rifle.

A pump action, lever action, semi auto etc sit in the safe next to a couple of bolt actions with the bolt removed.....

If a thief or kid has gained access to the rifles then someone has already gone terribly wrong.

Ammo stored separately is logical.

Ammo and inoperable guns together.
Ammo and operable guns separate.
No brainer.

FFS if you have had a close relative killed by sibling with an unsecured firearm you wouldnt even be moaning about it...make the plurry things safe .

Originally Posted by Rock river arms hunter

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So according to this all those of us with or wanting a endorsement are going to need 2 safes. One for the firearm and one for the part to make said firearm inoperable.


Ain't seeing anything in the Arms ACT about such "requirements".....

Arms Act 1983 Section 32 (1) (b)


Edited to point out that the police document doesn't say all endorsed firearms need to be inoperable, only restricted weapons.

Although there's nothing in the act to say the vital part must be stored in the same level of security.
I've never been asked about where the vital parts are.

"Note: Ammunition must not be kept with the pistol, MSSA or restricted weapon in the same steel safe, steel box or steel cabinet."

Not even in the locked compartment in the same steel safe??

When I crossed boarders in Africa the last thing you would say to the guards is oh what about this!!
If it's not in the law then don't make shit harder for the rest of us by inventing new stuff that is not out there......where dose it end.
Had one driver that used to bribe the great north road police stops with porn mags, next mintue we all had to be doing it......get my drift.

Originally Posted by Sideshow

When I crossed boarders in Africa the last thing you would say to the guards is oh what about this!!
If it's not in the law then don't make shit harder for the rest of us by inventing new stuff that is not out there......where dose it end.
Had one driver that used to bribe the great north road police stops with porn mags, next mintue we all had to be doing it......get my drift.

I'm not sure porn mags would work with my arms officer.

Originally Posted by hauraki

"Note: Ammunition must not be kept with the pistol, MSSA or restricted weapon in the same steel safe, steel box or steel cabinet."

Not even in the locked compartment in the same steel safe??

The guy who did my renewal inspection wasn't happy with bolts and ammo in the locked compartment. He said if someone steals the safe they have everything. And that was for A-cat.

Originally Posted by Cigar

The guy who did my renewal inspection wasn't happy with bolts and ammo in the locked compartment. He said if someone steals the safe they have everything. And that was for A-cat.

Poor theoretical point, and definitely not a legal basis for it.

1. Thieves are equally able to carry off two separate safes! If anything a double safe loaded with both guns + ammo is a heavy devil to carry off (These things should also have all large-radius corners like the 1940s refrigerator below to make gripping/carrying them harder).

2. The legal A-cat storage requirements is to prevent unauthorised access to the firearm by children or casual burglars -- it is not to prevent determined thieves who have come prepared to dislodge a safe and to carry it off to their pad.

Poor standard for an inspector to show such confusion, retraining needed, are you listening Mike???

I was similarly told by the inspector my SMLEs had to have their mags and bolts stored separately. The SMLE mag is not made to be routinely removed and reinserted, and I don't like fiddling round trying different mags to see which one fits best into this and that gun, they are temperamental. Also, not great idea to swap bolts between guns by mistake. My ammo is stored separately from my complete A-cat firearms as per the law of the land.

Now to someone who didn't do this. Last year SMLE offered on TM: "Selling without bolt, dad can't remember where he put it." Couldn't be bothered to bid.

It's not a poor theoretical point at all, 1) two safes are harder to remove than one, you also have to find the second one and even know that there is one to go looking for it. An a-cat safe with firearms in it is not very heavy at all. Asserting that the internal safe, bolts and ammo would make it significantly harder to carry and therefore more effective against theft than two safes is ridiculous.

2)You're assuming that all gun safes that are taken are done so only by "determined thieves that have come prepared". This is certainly not the case, most people have all the tools needed sitting in their garage.

Is it the law then?

Depends who making the law on the day! Shift through the wants for the actual!