Thread: The real reason for B/E-cat storage requirements and inspections

Originally Posted by systolic

If the cops don't check, how will they ever know you abide by the rules?

...and let them search your house and browse your hard drives. If they don't check, how will they ever know you aren't a drug dealer or kiddy porn distributor?

Originally Posted by Banana

...and let them search your house and browse your hard drives. If they don't check, how will they ever know you aren't a drug dealer or kiddy porn distributor?

There's a very big difference in that you agreed to cops checking your endorsed firearms and security when you got the licence endorsements.

It has been in the Arms Regulations for a long time that it's a condition of your endorsement that they can check and you let them. You didn't have to get the endorsement.

If you don't want cops checking your stuff, you could always surrender your endorsements.

No point getting upset on about things you agreed to.

Originally Posted by systolic

There's a very big difference in that you agreed to cops checking your endorsed firearms and security when you got the licence endorsements.

It has been in the Arms Regulations for a long time that it's a condition of your endorsement that they can check and you let them. You didn't have to get the endorsement.

If you don't want cops checking your stuff, you could always surrender your endorsements.

No point getting upset on about things you agreed to.

Just a reminder to everyone that this is true, just remember that if the police want to come inspect your gear and it is not a good time for you then tell them so and book a time that suits both parties.

Originally Posted by systolic

There's a very big difference in that you agreed to cops checking your endorsed firearms and security when you got the licence endorsements.
It has been in the Arms Regulations for a long time that it's a condition of your endorsement that they can check and you let them. You didn't have to get the endorsement.
If you don't want cops checking your stuff, you could always surrender your endorsements.
No point getting upset on about things you agreed to.

In the OP I was not talking about inspections, but about heavy secure storage requirements. I personally have no problems getting checked on that I stick to the law as I am not casual about firearms ownership. Just dust did a few hours work on my guns and duly stuffed them all back inside their kennel, a bit of a jigsaw, but I don't feel comfortable with such stuff lying about, even when there are no kids about.

The point was, many people who are safe, responsible, fit and proper do not apply for B/E cat as they just can't be bothered and/or cannot afford the extra heavy "security" -- and this discouragement was/is the MAIN (and intentional) effect of the stricter storage requirements, at least on the part of police. Which explains why they are so hot on security but can't be bothered to attend to investigate many firearms thefts.

Originally Posted by Cordite

In the OP I was not talking about inspections, but about heavy secure storage requirements. I personally have no problems getting checked on that I stick to the law as I am not casual about firearms ownership. Just dust did a few hours work on my guns and duly stuffed them all back inside their kennel, a bit of a jigsaw, but I don't feel comfortable with such stuff lying about, even when there are no kids about.

The point was, many people who are safe, responsible, fit and proper do not apply for B/E cat as they just can't be bothered and/or cannot afford the extra heavy "security" -- and this discouragement was/is the MAIN (and intentional) effect of the stricter storage requirements, at least on the part of police. Which explains why they are so hot on security but can't be bothered to attend to investigate many firearms thefts.

So you think it's all a conspiracy mainly to stop people applying for endorsements, rather than simply having higher security requirements for more dangerous (or attractive to criminals) weapons like pistols and machine guns to prevent them falling into the wrong hands?

Originally Posted by systolic

So you think it's all a conspiracy mainly to stop people applying for endorsements, rather than simply having higher security requirements for more dangerous (or attractive to criminals) weapons like pistols and machine guns to prevent them falling into the wrong hands?

It would also be nice if folk didn't leave pistols lying around the place for unendorsed folk to pick up as well.

Originally Posted by Beaker

It would also be nice if folk didn't leave pistols lying around the place for unendorsed folk to pick up as well.

@Beaker, Who do I need to hang around if I want to find abandoned pistols?

Originally Posted by 40mm

@Beaker, Who do I need to hang around if I want to find abandoned pistols?

Don't hang around public toilets, just don't.

Originally Posted by 40mm

@Beaker, Who do I need to hang around if I want to find abandoned pistols?

Go to a pistol club while the police are there, they are shocking and have been caught out leaving a club with knowing if they had all their pistols or not.

Originally Posted by 40mm

@Beaker, Who do I need to hang around if I want to find abandoned pistols?

Parliament toilets, on the roads just outside gun ranges (after police training sessions), etc....

Originally Posted by 40mm

@Beaker, Who do I need to hang around if I want to find abandoned pistols?

The police... https://kiwigunblog.wordpress.com/20...-a-little-bit/

Originally Posted by Beaker

It would also be nice if folk didn't leave pistols lying around the place for unendorsed folk to pick up as well.

And were not in the back pocket of gangs, and using the endorsements registers to tell the gangs where to 'shop'.

Originally Posted by systolic

So you think it's all a conspiracy mainly to stop people applying for endorsements, rather than simply having higher security requirements for more dangerous (or attractive to criminals) weapons like pistols and machine guns to prevent them falling into the wrong hands?

Cripes. @systolic, did you not read @Cordite's original post?

"However, the mere fact that stringent conditions of ownership exist should discourage people from becoming collectors."

If that quote is accurate then how can anyone deny there was/is an agenda to dissuade people from collecting restricted firearms?

Originally Posted by 40mm

Cripes. @systolic, did you not read @Cordite's original post?

"However, the mere fact that stringent conditions of ownership exist should discourage people from becoming collectors."

If that quote is accurate then how can anyone deny there was/is an agenda to dissuade people from collecting restricted firearms?

It is taken from a report written, mainly about pistols being held by banks, security companies etc as a review of policy, so not actual policy.

Also referring to collectors, the report also says:

7.34 Conclusion
We conclude that there can be no objection to bona fide firearms collectors collecting pistols, provided the pistols are inoperable and kept under strict security conditions.

There was no formal definition of 'collector' at the time and no formal written policy.

Anyway, it's far too late in the evening for me to give any more thought about police reviews of policy carried out well before I was born and before both the 1983 and 1992 Arms Acts were written. Or Kiwi Gun Blog's constant persecution/victim complex. I've got a club competition in the morning and need some sleep.

Originally Posted by systolic

It is taken from a report written, mainly about pistols being held by banks, security companies etc as a review of policy, so not actual policy.

Also referring to collectors, the report also says:

7.34 Conclusion
We conclude that there can be no objection to bona fide firearms collectors collecting pistols, provided the pistols are inoperable and kept under strict security conditions.

There was no formal definition of 'collector' at the time and no formal written policy.

Anyway, it's far too late in the evening for me to give any more thought about police reviews of policy carried out well before I was born and before both the 1983 and 1992 Arms Acts were written. Or Kiwi Gun Blog's constant persecution/victim complex. I've got a club competition in the morning and need some sleep.

Good luck with the competition.