Thread: Relocating gun safe on same property.

Moving your safe from one location to another within your property is perfectly fine provided the fixings are the same or better, and the new location is suitably inconspicuous within a secure building. You don't need to advise the Police until they come for their next check. The primary purpose of the security requirements is to ensure that firearms are secured to at least the specified standard. Advising the Police is only required when changing the address.

That is the way I was thinking as well. Says only notify when changing address and you are not changing address. If it's fixed in the same manner then I can't see how they could do you for moving it. Of course that might not stop them having a whinge or making up some bullshit about how it's "not allowed"

Originally Posted by gundoc

Moving your safe from one location to another within your property is perfectly fine provided the fixings are the same or better, and the new location is suitably inconspicuous within a secure building. You don't need to advise the Police until they come for their next check. The primary purpose of the security requirements is to ensure that firearms are secured to at least the specified standard. Advising the Police is only required when changing the address.

Let them whinge! Tell them that you are merely obeying the law, not some dreamed-up police policy that has no legal standing. That's what law-abiding people do!

On a related note, what about adding extra safes/cabinets? Do they need to be approved before being used?

if it became a law that it had to be inspected if moved, imagine if we moved them an inch a week !

Originally Posted by gonetropo

if it became a law that it had to be inspected if moved, imagine if we moved them an inch a week !

Malicious compliance, love it.
Or move it, notify them and then move it back again, repeat.

Asked locally today as had moved a safe location on same property a year ago and didn't give it another thought until reading this post. Got told, no need for another inspection if secured properly.

change the combination code or padlock weekly and ask for certification..................

Quick update, phoned local firearm's officer, they will be sending someone to come and inspect again. Rather safe than sorry I guess?

safe should be empty for inspection of fastenings

Originally Posted by gonetropo

safe should be empty for inspection of fastenings

They just may ask where are the guns currently stored. Put at least one .22 bolt action in, won't get in the way of inspection.

Originally Posted by Cool Runnings

Hi Gents

I am wanting to move my gun safe out of the garage into the house as it picks up to much moisture in there from the laundry.

Do I need to notify the police so that a firearm's officer needs to come and inspect the safe once I have moved it?

I have an A cat license with no endorsements.

I tried searching the NZ police website but all they mention is when you move address in which case I am not.

Cheers.

Move it and let them know chances are they wont come and cheek, make sure you do it in an email so you have it in writing

An Interesting thread. From my experience the local AO's tend to want to act outside of the firearms legislation with regard to inspecting firearms, recording serial numbers and inspecting storage security. This is an extract from the official NZ Police firearms storage guidelines. As you can see there is no requirement for the license holder to have their security in inspected if they are at the same address as when the original inspection was done, even if you have moved the physical location of the storage.

Police approval of an individual’s security arrangements is decided on a case-by-case basis following inspection. A member of Police will arrange a mutually convenient time to review your firearms security if:
(a) You have applied for a firearms licence (including if you have previously held a firearms licence).
(b) You have applied for an endorsement to possess a pistol, prohibited firearm, prohibited magazine or restricted weapon.
(c) You are already the holder of a firearms licence and have notified Police that you have changed address.

Originally Posted by zeropak

An Interesting thread. From my experience the local AO's tend to want to act outside of the firearms legislation with regard to inspecting firearms, recording serial numbers and inspecting storage security. This is an extract from the official NZ Police firearms storage guidelines. As you can see there is no requirement for the license holder to have their security in inspected if they are at the same address as when the original inspection was done, even if you have moved the physical location of the storage.

Police approval of an individual’s security arrangements is decided on a case-by-case basis following inspection. A member of Police will arrange a mutually convenient time to review your firearms security if:
(a) You have applied for a firearms licence (including if you have previously held a firearms licence).
(b) You have applied for an endorsement to possess a pistol, prohibited firearm, prohibited magazine or restricted weapon.
(c) You are already the holder of a firearms licence and have notified Police that you have changed address.

This was my experience recently. The AO wanted to see:

1) A keysafe to store the key to the gun safe.
2) Another lockable cabinet or safe to store rifle bolts.
3) A steel gun safe. According to him they no longer accept anything made from timber or ply because readily available battery powered tools can easily break into them in less than 10 minutes of sustained attack.
4) Somewhere separate and lockable to store ammo (lockable ammo box in the safe was acceptable).

So long story short access to my firearms and ammo is spread across 4 different lockable containers... To assemble a working gun would take quite some effort which is apparently the point.

Not that I have any issue with the above, if it means that I've demonstrated I store weapons safely then great. However this doesn't change the fact that the police seem to be enforcing something that isn't actually law.

Originally Posted by Fatberg

This was my experience recently. The AO wanted to see:

1) A keysafe to store the key to the gun safe.
2) Another lockable cabinet or safe to store rifle bolts.
3) A steel gun safe. According to him they no longer accept anything made from timber or ply because readily available battery powered tools can easily break into them in less than 10 minutes of sustained attack.
4) Somewhere separate and lockable to store ammo (lockable ammo box in the safe was acceptable).

So long story short access to my firearms and ammo is spread across 4 different lockable containers... To assemble a working gun would take quite some effort which is apparently the point.

Not that I have any issue with the above, if it means that I've demonstrated I store weapons safely then great. However this doesn't change the fact that the police seem to be enforcing something that isn't actually law.

You do know that list is beyond the legal scope and the AO's representative is beyond his remit legally to "enforce" anything, beyond the requirements as written into current law. My last inspection I found it necessary to make it quite clear I knew exactly what the law, as written, required. I also found his line of questioning disturbing and had to literally put my hand in the air and actually say "enough"," this stops now!"