Relocating gun safe on same property.

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04-08-2021, 01:13 PM
Danger Mouse

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Originally Posted by mikee

you want to post it here?

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/...est/whole.html
04-08-2021, 02:33 PM
Fatberg

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Originally Posted by T.FOYE

Once they break into this 'keysafe' they have complete access to all your safes. The only real option if for that key to be on your person and not in your house at all when you're at work.

I was just doing what I was told I needed to by the AO get a gun licence and sharing the experience here. I'm not saying that this is a good solution.

The keysafe is small and well hidden so if someone did manage to find it and then break into it and get the gun safe key they still wouldn't have a working rifle as the bolt is kept in another safe accessed by combination code. And the key to the ammunition box in the safe is somewhere else again. This is apparently what the AO wanted to see - great difficulty in assembling a working firearm. Of course this theory falls apart as soon as you have a firearm without a removable bolt...

The biggest risk in all this is that I lose access to my own rifles from having to jump through so many hoops before I can even get to them.
04-08-2021, 04:24 PM
Cyclops

It really doesn't matter how safe your firearms and ammunition are stored if the criminals turn up and hold you or your beloved at knife point or some other physical threat.

I view security as what is required to make to local idiots not bother trying.

If it comes down to a choice of me or my beloved being injured or giving up my firearms then it isn't a hard choice.
The proposed gun register will make it easier for criminal groups to visit you or me and ask for our firearms.
04-08-2021, 07:18 PM
XR500

Could someone more computer litterate than I please cut n paste (or quote the correct section/subsection /subsub section!) the pertinent piece of legislation re security provisions for storing firearms??
Despite using half a dozen different key words in the "search within this act" function on the Arms Act 1983 page of the NZ Legislation web page I was unable to locate said details. I thought putting the term "secure storage of firearms and ammunition" in the search box would elicit something, as thats the official term they use....but nah! round and round the mulberry bush we go:omg:
04-08-2021, 07:41 PM
zimmer

Problem is I don't think there is legislation defining it.
The police have guidelines currently on their website. Currently as in if there are now apsects no longer to their liking (requirement?) they would be edited out, wouldn't they...?

The guidelines still specify specs for wooden security. Go figure what music sheet some AO's are singing from.

https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def...e-guidance.pdf
05-08-2021, 09:01 AM
Fatberg

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Originally Posted by zimmer

Problem is I don't think there is legislation defining it.
The police have guidelines currently on their website. Currently as in if there are now apsects no longer to their liking (requirement?) they would be edited out, wouldn't they...?

The guidelines still specify specs for wooden security. Go figure what music sheet some AO's are singing from.

https://www.police.govt.nz/sites/def...e-guidance.pdf

The one I dealt with seems to be interpreting this part of the 7 Firearms safety rules to include cordless hand tools as they are now readily available and can easily get through wood.

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A lockable cabinet, container or receptacle of ‘stout construction’.
The Police interprets "stout construction" as strong enough to stop a child or opportunist thief getting access. Police recognises the international standard of thwarting attack by hand tools (unpowered tools) for a minimum of 10 minutes. Putting a lock on a cupboard, wardrobe, or gun-case is not enough. Wooden or MDF cabinets/receptacles are unlikely to meet this standard. Seek advice from your Police Arms Officer before purchasing any cabinet, container or receptacle of 'stout construction', as not all containers on offer will meet the standard.

This arms code the police have online still talks about MSSAs so seems like their public documentation in general is lagging behind.
10-08-2021, 01:35 PM
RBANGA300wm

We moved property 2.5 years ago and I did the whole change of address thing through the nz post website including notifying nz police, any way I never heard from them acknowledging it, so I heard some of those weird gun adds on the radio and thought oh I better just follow up on it and rang local cop shop, she said oh yes we have a note here regarding your move but as you have moved in same area(40km away) there is no requirement to come and inspect storage and told me how they were too busy
10-08-2021, 02:08 PM
tetawa

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Originally Posted by RBANGA300wm

We moved property 2.5 years ago and I did the whole change of address thing through the nz post website including notifying nz police, any way I never heard from them acknowledging it, so I heard some of those weird gun adds on the radio and thought oh I better just follow up on it and rang local cop shop, she said oh yes we have a note here regarding your move but as you have moved in same area(40km away) there is no requirement to come and inspect storage and told me how they were too busy

Would ask for this version of ok safe moving in writing, I moved 20km and safe was recertified of being secure. Moved it again within the same premises and they were ok with that.
10-08-2021, 02:43 PM
RBANGA300wm

Oh yeh @tetawa I told her that due to the current mood surrounding firearms and me not willing to be the guy that gets an example made of I would request they get the AO to pay me a visit and check everything out
10-08-2021, 05:41 PM
tiroahunta

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Originally Posted by Phil_H

And yet here is another scenario.
Last week I packed up the rifle to go to the range and then out for a hunt. Rifle with bolt, magazine - both seperate - locked in a hard plastic gun case, rounds in my day pack.

Got to the range but didn’t get to hunt as friends showed up at home. I chucked the gun case and day pack under the bed with the intention of going out after they had gone.....didn’t happen.....they stayed late

Decided then that I would get up at 0400 am and head off then so crashed into bed with rifle and rounds still under bed.

Thought struck me. Had Mr Plod turned up in the middle of the night am I offside? One obviously has to remove guns and ammo from the safe to go hunting......does that have to be immediately....next hour or two...or how long?

Basically I could have a rifle all packed up in the house somewhere and if the powers to be ever called....well I was just on my way out the door to hunt. Pyjamas? What? Yes, of course I have got my pyjamas on Officer...I have just got out of bed, and now, after packing up my rifle I am going to get changed.....prove me wrong.

Just a thought.....does a rifle have to be in the safe - for storage, naturally ....but what time can it be out before you use it?

Cheers
Phil

Don’t overthink it….

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